blind <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: VO and web page access
Hi all,
The below message poses some interesting questions and I'll answer
them from the perspective that we are at vo v1.0.
First though, jaws is out. If you keep trying to hold jaws up as
your benchmark, you'll not only not go where you need to go but
you'll be tripping over your teeth not getting there. There is a
lot
you can do with VO, There are some things that are possible but more
complex, but by and large, we come out even or better as far as
access goes.
Your link has some issues that jaws and ie hide quite well and yes,
the issues are real and it looks like VO is at fault but for the
fact
that it does quite a bit of the web well. One thing that can
help is
to turn off cursor tracking with vokeys-shift-f3. You can also try
building links lists using vo keys with u and element lists with vo
keys-i. In these lists, you can cruise or type ahead. As you type,
the lists shorten and if your string is unique enough, you end up
with one link on which you press space and away you go. It gets
faster and easier with a bit of practice.
On your bofa site issue, I use it too and have not seen this issue.
I do see an issue where you type in an amount and have to wait a bit
to tab till the date field comes up but that is due to page
processing not VO. You can mittigate this to some degree by
using vo
keys with arrows and going to the date field, selecting the date,
then typing the amount in the amount field. The orientation is
different, but it works well and becomes easy.
I don't do computer digital audio but I know there's been a good
deal
of discussion of it on the list and perhaps if you sent three
messages, one for each topic, folk would find it easier to respond.
All the best.
--
Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
On Dec 20, 2005, at 12:54 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hi,
I just wanted to share some observations/concerns about VO
accessibility on the web that I've noticed in hopes that someone
else
can check some of this out and see what they end up with.
My biggest concern when buying the Mac was in fact web access. I'm
on the web a lot so it was important to me. Unfortunately, I've
noticed a few issues. If you go over to www.ilounge.com, you will
find that it appears to be a page with frames. It has a top frame
with all kinds of links in it and then a great many links down the
left side of the page. Finally, there is a large frame in the
middle
where text and news headlines are and finally a smaller frame with
advertisements over on the right. It appears to be somewhat a
complex page. When I was working with Jaws on the PC I could easily
move from one frame to the next on pages. Unfortunately, if I move
to interact with the HTML content and start moving with VO keys and
the arrows, it doesn't seem that I can make it out of the top frame
of the page. I think the last link I hear is RSS and then if I
arrow
right or down again I hear nothing. After a second or two it jumps
down to the bottom of the page and reads the legal stuff like Apple
and iPod are property of Macintosh or whatever. Any ideas on how I
can improve my ability to interact with this page?
Second, I bank with Bank of America and do everything on
www.bankofamerica.com. For the most part I do all right with it.
However, two issues here. Once I'm logged in and using my account I
run in to some difficulties. One of them is that the site is
designed to be very user friendly for screen readers and contains
links that say skip to main content or to skip past this section.
The links you would be skipping run down the left side of the page
and are announcements, links to banking options and things like
that. I know, I'm about to reference back to Jaws again but its
what
I knew and was most comfortable with. In Jaws I could click one of
these skip to links and jump on to the next section of the page.
However, nose such luck in VO. I'm unsure of what the problem is
but
when I select one of these links nothing at all happens. The focus
doesn't move to the main content or even from that link. Any ideas?
The other difficulty I have with that same page is when I pay my
bills online. I get a page with all of my payees on it and can
enter
amounts and the date to pay them. When I enter the amount to pay by
typing in to the appropriate field and go to leave the field, rather
than continuing on from that point, VO seems to go back to the first
link on the page. I'd rather have it keep going forward from that
very same spot and not need to start over at the top of the page.
I'm less than thrilled at navigation on the web with VO and this
just
complicates things. Thoughts and suggestions welcome.
Finally, just curious if anyone uses a mail program that is simpler
than the one that comes as part of OSX.
Oh and I wonder if anyone has suggestions on a program to use to get
album art for all of my music. I have a massive music library and
have just enough vision to do some things in iTunes but all of the
CD's I've burned do not have album art.
Thanks.> > --
