I believe you are correct. It is a mac feature. With my wife looking on
while I was trying to edit a document, she could see the cursor, which was
not on the letter spoken nor was it on any of the letters next to the
character spoken. For instance with the number 123, when the 2 was spoken
by vo the cursor was always to the right of the 2 between the 2 and the 3,
but not on either character. In other words the cursor occupied the space
between the 2 and the 3, even though with VO no such empty space was ever
detected between the 2 and the 3. With the 2 vocalized by VO all my wife
had to do was to press the delete key using the mouse, and she had no
difficulties at all deleting and inserting text. It was difficult for her
however to understand why I was having so much trouble doing so. Eyesight
is a wonderful thing! I wish it was just that simple for VO users to do it,
too.
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Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
I don't think this is actually a VO issue. Someone can correct me
if I'm wrong, but I believe the cursor and positing and editing is
actually a Mac OS feature.
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
I appreciate your post very much, since it makes some sense now when
editing a textedit document with VO. It clarifies why I have been
getting so frustrated, since now all I have to remember, when editing a
text, is from what direction I am coming, left or right. I must say
though that I prefer simplicity, which is at the heart of using JAWS.
with a PC. The character in focus is voiced, and a press of the delete
key either the backspace delete, which deletes the character just prior
to the spoken character , or the forward delete will always delete the
character spoken. With JAWS inserting a character is always done to the
left adjacent to the spoken character. There is no need to remember
from which direction you approached the spoken character. In fact I do
not know why VO could not be made to be simple. I hope they make this
possible in a future update of VO.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X
by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
Hi Harry,
I'll try to answer your questions although some of this has already
been covered.
1. When reading/editing text in TE, think like this, if you've passed
over a word/character from left to right, then the cursor is sitting
at the right of whatever you've passed over. Therefore, pressing the
"Delete" key will remove anything just to the left of it. conversely,
moving right to left, the cursor will be sitting just to the left of
whatever was just read to you. When inserting something,, remember
which direction you're coming from and place the cursor accordingly.
You are correct that it is probably your JAWS experience that is
confusing the issue. I had the opposite problem as I was a Mac user
first and a JAWS user second. It took me quite a while and
frustration to learn how JAWS dealt with things and as a matter of
interest, I prefer the Mac as it seems more logical to me. My opinion
of course.
2. Closing/Saving stuff in TextEdit. One thing to note is that for
the most part, expecially in applicaitons, closing a Window only
closes the window or document, not the complete application. That is,
if you close a TE document using cmd+w or File menu and Close,, you
still have the TE application open whereas Quitting the application
will Close and Quit it. When doing either, if you have not already
saved your changes, you will be asked to do so. the default choice is
to save it so pressing "Return" will save it automatically. If the
document has never been saved before, then a dialog will appear giving
you options for where to save it and what name to give it. You can
also navigate through "Do you Waant to Save" dialogs using VO then
pressing VO keys+space on the choice you wish to apply.
3. i suggest you save any documents and quit all aps before logging
off or shutting down. this is just good computing practice and is far
safer than relying on your OS to remember that this wasn't done and
therefore asking you just before logging off or shutting down.
Hope this helps some. Keep the questions coming though, we're here to
help.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
