Harry,
It's easy once you get the hang of it.. When I first sstarted using
Jaws, I saw this flaw in windows that I could never actually tell
where I was from the sound I heard. I was overjoyed to find when I
started using VO that I could finally edit with more ease. One more
bit to add though, if you are moving left, say from 3 2 1 insttead of
right from 1 2 3, you will also delete the character you are to the
right of. another way to describe this left to right thing is say
you have the number 1. If you move right over it, you will hear it.
if you move left over it, you will hear it. It's quite consistantt.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
I believe you are correct. It is a mac feature. With my wife
looking on while I was trying to edit a document, she could see the
cursor, which was not on the letter spoken nor was it on any of the
letters next to the character spoken. For instance with the number
123, when the 2 was spoken by vo the cursor was always to the right
of the 2 between the 2 and the 3, but not on either character. In
other words the cursor occupied the space between the 2 and the 3,
even though with VO no such empty space was ever detected between the
2 and the 3. With the 2 vocalized by VO all my wife had to do was to
press the delete key using the mouse, and she had no difficulties at
all deleting and inserting text. It was difficult for her however to
understand why I was having so much trouble doing so. Eyesight is a
wonderful thing! I wish it was just that simple for VO users to do
it, too.
----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN PANARESE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I don't think this is actually a VO issue. Someone can
correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the cursor and positing
and editing is actually a Mac OS feature.
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
I appreciate your post very much, since it makes some sense now
when editing a textedit document with VO. It clarifies why I
have been getting so frustrated, since now all I have to
remember, when editing a text, is from what direction I am
coming, left or right. I must say though that I prefer
simplicity, which is at the heart of using JAWS. with a PC. The
character in focus is voiced, and a press of the delete key
either the backspace delete, which deletes the character just
prior to the spoken character , or the forward delete will
always delete the character spoken. With JAWS inserting a
character is always done to the left adjacent to the spoken
character. There is no need to remember from which direction you
approached the spoken character. In fact I do not know why VO
could not be made to be simple. I hope they make this possible in
a future update of VO.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
Hi Harry,
I'll try to answer your questions although some of this has
already been covered.
1. When reading/editing text in TE, think like this, if you've
passed over a word/character from left to right, then the cursor
is sitting at the right of whatever you've passed over.
Therefore, pressing the "Delete" key will remove anything just
to the left of it. conversely, moving right to left, the
cursor will be sitting just to the left of whatever was just
read to you. When inserting something,, remember which
direction you're coming from and place the cursor accordingly.
You are correct that it is probably your JAWS experience that
is confusing the issue. I had the opposite problem as I was a
Mac user first and a JAWS user second. It took me quite a
while and frustration to learn how JAWS dealt with things and as
a matter of interest, I prefer the Mac as it seems more logical
to me. My opinion of course.
2. Closing/Saving stuff in TextEdit. One thing to note is that
for the most part, expecially in applicaitons, closing a Window
only closes the window or document, not the complete
application. That is, if you close a TE document using cmd+w
or File menu and Close,, you still have the TE application
open whereas Quitting the application will Close and Quit it.
When doing either, if you have not already saved your changes,
you will be asked to do so. the default choice is to save it
so pressing "Return" will save it automatically. If the
document has never been saved before, then a dialog will appear
giving you options for where to save it and what name to give
it. You can also navigate through "Do you Waant to Save" dialogs
using VO then pressing VO keys+space on the choice you wish to
apply.
3. i suggest you save any documents and quit all aps before
logging off or shutting down. this is just good computing
practice and is far safer than relying on your OS to remember
that this wasn't done and therefore asking you just before
logging off or shutting down.
Hope this helps some. Keep the questions coming though, we're
here to help.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
