Talk about confusing, your statement "When I first sstarted using
Jaws, I saw this flaw in windows that I could never actually tell
where I was from the sound I heard." This is the exact opposite from my
experience. For instance when I heard the number 2 in side the number 123
with jaws, I knew I was exactly right on top of the number 2, not on either
side of it. Using VO, I will just have to concentrate on retraining my
brain and fingers to think not right on but to the right or left depending
on which direction I am coming from. Simplicity to me means when you hear
the number 2 you are right on the 2 and not hearing it as you move over it.
You hear it as you land directly on it. Oh well, talking about it does not
change the fact at all. It just means I will have to learn a new way of
editing text with VO.
Happy editing!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
Harry,
It's easy once you get the hang of it.. When I first sstarted using
Jaws, I saw this flaw in windows that I could never actually tell where I
was from the sound I heard. I was overjoyed to find when I started using
VO that I could finally edit with more ease. One more bit to add though,
if you are moving left, say from 3 2 1 insttead of right from 1 2 3, you
will also delete the character you are to the right of. another way to
describe this left to right thing is say you have the number 1. If you
move right over it, you will hear it. if you move left over it, you will
hear it. It's quite consistantt.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
I believe you are correct. It is a mac feature. With my wife looking on
while I was trying to edit a document, she could see the cursor, which
was not on the letter spoken nor was it on any of the letters next to the
character spoken. For instance with the number 123, when the 2 was
spoken by vo the cursor was always to the right of the 2 between the 2
and the 3, but not on either character. In other words the cursor
occupied the space between the 2 and the 3, even though with VO no such
empty space was ever detected between the 2 and the 3. With the 2
vocalized by VO all my wife had to do was to press the delete key using
the mouse, and she had no difficulties at all deleting and inserting
text. It was difficult for her however to understand why I was having so
much trouble doing so. Eyesight is a wonderful thing! I wish it was
just that simple for VO users to do it, too.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
I don't think this is actually a VO issue. Someone can correct me
if I'm wrong, but I believe the cursor and positing and editing is
actually a Mac OS feature.
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
I appreciate your post very much, since it makes some sense now when
editing a textedit document with VO. It clarifies why I have been
getting so frustrated, since now all I have to remember, when editing
a text, is from what direction I am coming, left or right. I must say
though that I prefer simplicity, which is at the heart of using JAWS.
with a PC. The character in focus is voiced, and a press of the
delete key either the backspace delete, which deletes the character
just prior to the spoken character , or the forward delete will
always delete the character spoken. With JAWS inserting a character
is always done to the left adjacent to the spoken character. There is
no need to remember from which direction you approached the spoken
character. In fact I do not know why VO could not be made to be
simple. I hope they make this possible in a future update of VO.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X
by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
Hi Harry,
I'll try to answer your questions although some of this has already
been covered.
1. When reading/editing text in TE, think like this, if you've
passed over a word/character from left to right, then the cursor is
sitting at the right of whatever you've passed over. Therefore,
pressing the "Delete" key will remove anything just to the left of
it. conversely, moving right to left, the cursor will be sitting
just to the left of whatever was just read to you. When inserting
something,, remember which direction you're coming from and place the
cursor accordingly. You are correct that it is probably your JAWS
experience that is confusing the issue. I had the opposite problem
as I was a Mac user first and a JAWS user second. It took me quite a
while and frustration to learn how JAWS dealt with things and as a
matter of interest, I prefer the Mac as it seems more logical to me.
My opinion of course.
2. Closing/Saving stuff in TextEdit. One thing to note is that for
the most part, expecially in applicaitons, closing a Window only
closes the window or document, not the complete application. That
is, if you close a TE document using cmd+w or File menu and Close,,
you still have the TE application open whereas Quitting the
application will Close and Quit it. When doing either, if you have
not already saved your changes, you will be asked to do so. the
default choice is to save it so pressing "Return" will save it
automatically. If the document has never been saved before, then a
dialog will appear giving you options for where to save it and what
name to give it. You can also navigate through "Do you Waant to Save"
dialogs using VO then pressing VO keys+space on the choice you wish
to apply.
3. i suggest you save any documents and quit all aps before logging
off or shutting down. this is just good computing practice and is
far safer than relying on your OS to remember that this wasn't done
and therefore asking you just before logging off or shutting down.
Hope this helps some. Keep the questions coming though, we're here
to help.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
