Harry,
Simplicity is in the functionality. Digging back through the
archives to early on, we would find this discussion and while those
who use jaws found ittt seemingly daunting at first, they will
readily admit now that it's actually harder to work wwith windows
than with the Mac in this respect.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
Talk about confusing, your statement "When I first sstarted using
Jaws, I saw this flaw in windows that I could never actually tell
where I was from the sound I heard." This is the exact opposite
from my experience. For instance when I heard the number 2 in side
the number 123 with jaws, I knew I was exactly right on top of the
number 2, not on either side of it. Using VO, I will just have to
concentrate on retraining my brain and fingers to think not right on
but to the right or left depending on which direction I am coming
from. Simplicity to me means when you hear the number 2 you are
right on the 2 and not hearing it as you move over it. You hear it as
you land directly on it. Oh well, talking about it does not change
the fact at all. It just means I will have to learn a new way of
editing text with VO.
Happy editing!
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"
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Harry,
It's easy once you get the hang of it.. When I first sstarted
using Jaws, I saw this flaw in windows that I could never actually
tell where I was from the sound I heard. I was overjoyed to find
when I started using VO that I could finally edit with more ease.
One more bit to add though, if you are moving left, say from 3 2 1
insttead of right from 1 2 3, you will also delete the character
you are to the right of. another way to describe this left to
right thing is say you have the number 1. If you move right over
it, you will hear it. if you move left over it, you will hear
it. It's quite consistantt.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
I believe you are correct. It is a mac feature. With my wife
looking on while I was trying to edit a document, she could see
the cursor, which was not on the letter spoken nor was it on any
of the letters next to the character spoken. For instance with
the number 123, when the 2 was spoken by vo the cursor was always
to the right of the 2 between the 2 and the 3, but not on either
character. In other words the cursor occupied the space between
the 2 and the 3, even though with VO no such empty space was ever
detected between the 2 and the 3. With the 2 vocalized by VO all
my wife had to do was to press the delete key using the mouse, and
she had no difficulties at all deleting and inserting text. It
was difficult for her however to understand why I was having so
much trouble doing so. Eyesight is a wonderful thing! I wish it
was just that simple for VO users to do it, too.
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Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
I don't think this is actually a VO issue. Someone can
correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the cursor and positing
and editing is actually a Mac OS feature.
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 12:51 PM, Harry Bates wrote:
I appreciate your post very much, since it makes some sense now
when editing a textedit document with VO. It clarifies why I
have been getting so frustrated, since now all I have to
remember, when editing a text, is from what direction I am
coming, left or right. I must say though that I prefer
simplicity, which is at the heart of using JAWS. with a PC.
The character in focus is voiced, and a press of the delete
key either the backspace delete, which deletes the character
just prior to the spoken character , or the forward delete
will always delete the character spoken. With JAWS inserting a
character is always done to the left adjacent to the spoken
character. There is no need to remember from which direction
you approached the spoken character. In fact I do not know why
VO could not be made to be simple. I hope they make this
possible in a future update of VO.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kilburn"
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: TextEdit and Vo
Hi Harry,
I'll try to answer your questions although some of this has
already been covered.
1. When reading/editing text in TE, think like this, if you've
passed over a word/character from left to right, then the
cursor is sitting at the right of whatever you've passed
over. Therefore, pressing the "Delete" key will remove
anything just to the left of it. conversely, moving right to
left, the cursor will be sitting just to the left of whatever
was just read to you. When inserting something,, remember
which direction you're coming from and place the cursor
accordingly. You are correct that it is probably your JAWS
experience that is confusing the issue. I had the opposite
problem as I was a Mac user first and a JAWS user second. It
took me quite a while and frustration to learn how JAWS dealt
with things and as a matter of interest, I prefer the Mac as
it seems more logical to me. My opinion of course.
2. Closing/Saving stuff in TextEdit. One thing to note is
that for the most part, expecially in applicaitons, closing a
Window only closes the window or document, not the complete
application. That is, if you close a TE document using cmd+w
or File menu and Close,, you still have the TE application
open whereas Quitting the application will Close and Quit it.
When doing either, if you have not already saved your changes,
you will be asked to do so. the default choice is to save it
so pressing "Return" will save it automatically. If the
document has never been saved before, then a dialog will
appear giving you options for where to save it and what name
to give it. You can also navigate through "Do you Waant to
Save" dialogs using VO then pressing VO keys+space on the
choice you wish to apply.
3. i suggest you save any documents and quit all aps before
logging off or shutting down. this is just good computing
practice and is far safer than relying on your OS to remember
that this wasn't done and therefore asking you just before
logging off or shutting down.
Hope this helps some. Keep the questions coming though, we're
here to help.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
& Carter the Canine
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
