interesting, it's my understanding that the screen reader developpers give money to nfb.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Bartlett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind'" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: RE: n.f.b. ITunes investigation I have made the following statement before and gotten in trouble for it. NFB has bailed out at least one screen reader vendor before. I'm sure this is an attempt to cover at least that vendor's responsibility. Also, there are scripts available for ITunes but they are provided by a different company. Basically those who want those scripts are paying twice for them. First of all I believe that FS contracted this company to write those scripts as they have done with others so they were paid for this work. Then the decision was made not to include them in the product but to allow this company to market them on their own. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shaun Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:07 AM To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by the blind Subject: Re: n.f.b. ITunes investigation Yeah, come to think about it. Why wont they sue Microsoft for not making Office accessible on the Mac? On Jan 23, 2008, at 9:46 AM, John Moore wrote: > This is typical NFB. Sue people to get wealth and glory. This is the > chance we need to get our message out about how horrible Microsoft and > there OS are. > > On 1/23/08, Shaun Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> They have JAWS scripts for the Windows version which brings me to a >> question. What isn't Apple doing that everyone else is? I ask that >> because most applications for Windows need scripting and can't be re >> written to work. Why don't they sue Skype or Microsoft for not making >> Power Point fully accessible? I think all application developers need >> to be made aware about accessibility and I feel it's our job, yes >> that's right I said it's our job to make sure they know it. If we >> don't in the end we all lose. >> On Jan 23, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: >> >>> I agree Shawn, makes me think that they really don't know what's >>> out there for us mac users, as far as accessibility, and all they're >>> focussing on is JAWS, and how things are on the windows side with >>> Itunes. IN using the mac so far for a week, haven't played with >>> Itunes much yet, but I'm sure it's better than it is with JAWS and >>> windows. I've definitely noticed that we've most certainly got >>> something as far as accessibility. All I can say is, the Mac rocks, >>> and it is totally awesome. O >>> It's rediculous that they're suing Apple for lac of accessibility. >>> Makes not one bit of sense >>> on 23-Jan-08, at 7:27 AM, Shaun Jones wrote: >>> >>>> They will not recommend a Apple to anyone needing accessibility but >>>> they are willing to sue for the lack there of. That doesn't make >>>> since. Can you give me the firm's number so we can talk lawyer >>>> talk? I have seen more advancement in accessibility on the Mac in >>>> the five months of using it than I have when using JAWS five thru >>>> nine and they want to sue. Why not sue Freedom Scientific for not >>>> having a one hundred percent accessible package given the time that >>>> XP has been out. What are we talking here isn't it going on nine >>>> years since the release of XP?Don't they hate Apple for lack of a >>>> better word? >>>> On Jan 22, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>>> >>>>> I very much doubt the investigation will stop. It's being done by >>>>> a law firm for one thing and they're professionals. For another I >>>>> not only told them about this list and that it's high volume but >>>>> also that it's very helpful. Those are not just N.F.B. hacks >>>>> doing the investigation. They are interested in far more than >>>>> just Apple and iTunes too since I was asked some questions about >>>>> work too. I was the first person they had talked to in two years >>>>> of work for the N.F.B. that had anything positive to say about >>>>> Apple. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Shaun Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I too will run Windows as well as Linux on my Mac not because I >>>>>> need to, but because the technology is there for me to do it. I >>>>>> love anything that is accessible because it helps me become >>>>>> better. If you need help don't hesitate to contact me off list. >>>>>> On Dec 22, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Renee M Zelickson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Shawn I applaud you for geting on with all the voice over >>>>>>> commands quickly. I have to admit that although I haven't got >>>>>>> them all down and still a little mixed up and don't know how to >>>>>>> read all in a document yet, I have to say that the Mac is much >>>>>>> better than the PC. I am only wanting to install windows for >>>>>>> the things I need to get done that I don't know how to do on the >>>>>>> mac >>>>>>> anyway, I am appauld but not surprised that the NFB is >>>>>>> "investigating" instead of trying to use. I will say that the >>>>>>> Safare is not easy to navigate. but hopefully they will improve >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Renee Zelickson >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Shaun Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> I agree with that. I have done 10 times as much as I could do >>>>>>> on Windows > in 4 months of using the Mac. Just about every >>>>>>> software I have used has > been accessible through the menus, >>>>>>> GUI or both. I wonder what > conversations that FS or JAWS users >>>>>>> have had with Apple in this regards? > Probably none >>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Joshua Tubbs wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I completely disagree with the action that NFB is taking! >>>>>>> While I've > > only had my Mac for almost a weak now, I hate the >>>>>>> NFB not attempting to > > even use a bloody Mac and see if it is >>>>>>> accessible. They just take jaws > > through it's paces because >>>>>>> they claim that it's the number one screen > > reader on the >>>>>>> planet. I'm sorry, but in terms of stabibility, learning, > > >>>>>>> etc, I think VoiceOver is the now number one screen reader. >>>>>>> Perhaps if > > Microsoft would take the steps that Apple takes, >>>>>>> jaws won't be needed > > If people are willing to take at least >>>>>>> two days out of there lives they > > could easily learn >>>>>>> VoiceOver. I started downloading skype the first > > time I got >>>>>>> my hands on this baby, so it's not like it's all that hard. > > >>>>>>> VoiceOver is so easy your grandmother could use it without >>>>>>> reading the > > manual. I haven't read the quick start tutorial >>>>>>> yet and I feel that I > > still have a lot to learn, but Apple >>>>>>> in my oppinion is way ahead of > > Microsoft. >>>>>>>>>>> That's my oppinion on the issue. >>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:26 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to ask them to stop. >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 12:08 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: n.f.b. ITunes investigation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A message was sent out on the electronics-talk >>>>>>> mailing list to the > > > effect >>>>>>>>>> that all of ITunes is being investigated by the national >>>>>>> federation > > > of the >>>>>>>>>> blind for accessibility. Anyone wishing to provide >>>>>>> assistance can > > > contact >>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > John Moore > >
