Right, but there needs to be some sort of mediation where these
priorities for speech can be assigned. I suspect getting all the
different OS components to provided a UI for a pretty specific VO
attribute would probably be best handled in VO itself. Something where I
could navigate to a region of the OS or an application UI and then hit
some VO key combination to not only monitor changes in that region, but
to set the priority. In other words, the clock shouldn't be required to
have a special "speak changes" preference. Instead any region (including
the clock) should be watchable and anything watchable should have a
priority configuration.
CB
David Poehlman wrote:
Actually, this needs to be handled at least partially at a lower level than
vo since for instance, time announcement comes from the os.
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Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: time announcements and the Mac os:
Similar issues are being wrestled with in the web world as part of a new
standard being worked out called ARIA or Accessible Rich Internet
Applications. Part of ARIA deals with something called a Live Region
which is part of a page that updates every so often (like a clock, log,
stock ticker etc). Part of setting up a live region is to define a
priority level which can be rude, assertive, polite or off. This gives
AT a hint for resolving multiple concurrent spoken messages. I suspect
VO needs something similar so the user can determine what is most
important. There are times you might want the clock to be rude so you
don't miss an appointment, but other times polite so you can read your
document in peace. You can read more about ARIA liveRegions here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#LiveRegions
The concepts I think are general enough to apply other places. Like
choice of output channel for different messages, what kinds of changes
should be announced and how much context is required for the update.
CB
Richie Gardenhire wrote:
I have been assured by Apple that the suggestions I've sent to them
will be taken into consideration in future releases. So we will have
to keep our pulses to Apple's website and monitor future bug fixes.
It does this at random and all I suggested was that a warning or an
alert be used asan option, to either be turned on or off, to interrupt
speech long enough for the time to be announced, and once announced,
the reading will be resumed, with very little user input.Again, this
option can be turned on or off; in other words, you don't have to use
it, if one feels he/she doesn't need it. Richie Gardenhire,
Anchorage, Alaska.
On Aug 9, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
Actually what I've noticed is at times they can speak at the same
time with neither interrupting the other. This is random so it is
possible, but something is causing the speech processes to step on
each other. And this is why I'll be pestering Apple again and again
about this.
On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Janet and Felix * wrote:
Well that's a bug that needs fixing. Yes, that's what happened. I
changed the voice to Victoria for the time announce. And then Alex
rudely cut her off before she could say all of 3:30. Victoria only
said 3 and was cut off by Alex.
janet
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Subject: Re: time announcements and the Mac os:
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:30:38 -0400
they interrupt each other.
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Is that true also if you set a different voice for the time? I set
Kathy
for that function. So if Alex is talking, will Kathy just talk
also at the
same time? Or will Alex stop so Kathy can talk. Or if Alex is
talking,
will Kathy not be heard saying the time at all?
I guess I'm going to find out in about 4 minutes!
Thanks for this info, by the way. I never knew about it. handy
little item
to know.
janet
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Subject: Re: time announcements and the Mac os:
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:04:19 -0400
vo will interupt anything the system voice says when it speaks or,
the
system voice will interupt vo sometimes.
On Aug 9, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
What do you mean if you're lucky enough to have a friend who does
not use VO? I can set these options with VO active.
-Or are you saying that VO will interrupt the time when it's
spoken?…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Aug 9, 2008, at 3:38 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
If you are lucky enough to have a friend who does not use voice
over or if
you don't use voiceover, you can have mac os announce the time by
setting
this in date and time in system prefs.
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