Thanks, I'll try to play on this!
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Subject: Re: numpad commander
The commander is configured from the voice over utility. I have the 5
key configured as a mouse click, pressing the 0 key with the 5 key
brings up a context menu. The enter key puts focus on the desktop. The
dot key says the context of the voice over cursor. 0 and the period
keys tells me the label of buttons and check box. The * key takes me
to the dock. The / key brings up the window chouser menu. The = key
brings up the app chouser. The rest of the keys are what that were
defined as they were.
On Oct 25, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Estelita wrote:
Hi,
What other commands do you use numpad commander with?
I have it on my keyboard, but not much use of it.
Perhaps you can instruct me to right direction.
Thank you.
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Subject: Re: numpad commander
OK for you who have a laptop why not get a external numpad? I use the
numpad commander all of the time. Not sure that I could operate the
Mac with out it. Just a thought.
On Oct 25, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Randy and Jacob,
The situation with the new laptops without the numeric keypad option
(on MacBooks these are the models manufactured after November 2007) is
slightly weirder, but basically Jacob is correct. The slightly weird
part comes about because laptops also support a Universal Access menu
feature called "Mouse Keys" that lets folks who have mobility problems
move the position of their mouse cursor using the numeric keypad keys.
When you reference the central key or "5" in a numeric keypad for the
position of the mouse cursor, pressing the key above it ("2") will move
the mouse cursor up one screen pixel unit, pressing the key below it
("8") will move the mouse cursor down one screen pixel unit, and
similarly for left ("4") and right ("6") motion. You could also move
diagonally (up and to the left with "1", up and to the right with "3",
etc.)
On the older laptops, there were two ways you could use the numeric
keypad keys with Mouse Keys activated: You could either first toggle on
the numeric keypad by pressing the Numlock (F6) key. That turned the
right hand side of your laptop into a numeric keypad, so "7-8-9" mapped
to the same numbers on the numeric keypad, "u-i-o" mapped to "4-5-6",
and "j-k-l" mapped to "1-2-3". (All this would be announced correctly
in VoiceOver and you could use keyboard practice mode to check the
keys; you also got the plus, minus, 0, comma, period, and other numpad
keys adjacent to these.) Alternatively, you could press the Fn key in
combination with the Numpad letter keys to get the equivalent Numpad
functions without toggling the Numlock key on: Fn+u, Fn+i, and Fn+o was
like pressing "4-5-6" on a numeric keypad. The "I" key was the center
of the numeric keypad, and corresponded to "5".
Even though Apple removed the Numlock key in the later model laptops,
they still had to support users who needed to use Mouse Keys to
position their cursor. So if you turn Mouse Keys on in the Universal
Access menu under System Preferences, part of your keyboard works to
allow you to move the cursor around, and pressing Fn+u will move your
mouse one screen pixel to the left, Fn+8 will move your mouse one pixel
up, Fn+k moves one pixel down, and Fn+o moves one pixel right. (I
don't really think about this -- the center key is the "i" key and I
just press Fn plus the key to the left, right, up, or down from the "i"
key to move the cursor in that direction).
As a bonus, when you have Mouse Keys turned on, Fn+i acts like a
hardware click --- just as though you had Numpad Commander turned on
and were pressing the "5" key on a numerica keypad.
So you might wonder whether you can get some of the other Numpad
Commander keys working if you turn Mouse Keys on and enable Numpad
Commander in the VoiceOver preferences. Apple advises you not to do
this in their VoiceOver guide for Leopard. What happens is that you
get the Numpad Commander functions for the partial numeric keypad that
Mouse Keys gives you, but then you can't use your Command key. Bit of
a bummer.
Just FYI. And the reason for using Mouse Keys at all here, is that
there are some instances where Flash doesn't disclose web page elements
to VoiceOver, but where, if you can get there with your mouse, you can
click and access content. As an example, the sound samples for the
(U.S.) Audible.com audiobooks are embedded flash, but you can play the
sound samples on the page if you use Mouse Keys (or other means) to
navigate to the samples. See the Mac- cessibility quick tip about this
at lioncourt.com:
http://www.lioncourt.com/2008/07/19/play-samples-on-audiblecom-with-voiceover/
Cheers,
Esther
On Oct 25, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Randy Stegall wrote:
Ah, I knew there was a reason I did not care for those keyboards. :)
Randy
On Oct 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote:
If you've got a keyboard with a numpad or an older laptop with the
numpad overlay that is. The past few generations of laptops as well
as the new wireless keyboards lack any sort of numpad support
whatsoever.
On Oct 25, 2008, at 14:42, Randy Stegall wrote:
Using numpad commander numpad plus interacts and numpad minus stops
interacting. Thus there only 2 keys to remember. :)
Hth,
Randy
On Oct 25, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Estelita wrote:
Yeah, if we remember how to do it.
As myself, I always look at my notes when I work on my Mac.
However: I admired the developers' idea by integrating voice in the
Mac, it gives us choice.
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Speaking from a pure design standpoint as a point of fact, the vo
interface
is a brilliant design. if you have trouble with
control-option-shift-down/up arrow, you can most often use tab and
shift tab
and arrows to do many things, you can also use the item chooser in
many
windows. Interacting is brilliant because it provides a way of
interacting
with tthings instead of them getting in the way when you don't
need or want
them.
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I think not only the vo find feature needs refining, there are
more features
that need lots of twigging before we land to where we want.
Personally, I don't really like this interacting command.
We have to remember 4 keys to do this.
Since voiceover is just new, we just hope the developers will come
up with
the key combinations that are easy to remember.
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I for one would like to see some touchups done to the vo find
feature,
It's good as far as it goes, I have found that on larger busier
pages it
is somewhat inconsistant as to what and when it will find
something. I
don't see why one day it will find something and behave, but on
another
just for giggles I look for the same thing and it's not there.
Going
windowsish isn't the way I'd like to see things go either, but I
am still
mindful that some refining would certainly be appreciated.
On 24-Oct-08, at 11:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
24 okt 2008 kl. 16.48 skrev Jacob Schmude:
Further, I for one hope that Voiceover doesn't borrow too much
from the
Windows screen readers' methods of web navigation.
I couldn't agree with you more there. The last thing i want is a
mac
platform with a windows screen reader. I want this os as unique
and as
good as it is today!
--
/Krister
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