and who is paying? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Schmude" <[email protected]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Opera (was Re: firefox, mozilla and voiceover:)
Well, to be fair, browser plugins are far from universal. They would have to maintain separate plugins for Firefox, Safari, Opera, IE, or whatever they wanted to support. It makes sense for them to focus on the most cross-platform of the browsers, that would be Firefox. It's Mozilla we need to keep badgering, not the Webvisum folks. On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:06, Will Lomas wrote: > well that's disgusting to b honest > shame on them > > On 28 Dec 2008, at 17:04, Jacob Schmude wrote: > >> Webvisum are flatly refusing to develop for any browser except for >> firefox. Period. >> >> >> >> On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:03, Will Lomas wrote: >> >>> wish web vissum worked with opera >>> >>> On 28 Dec 2008, at 17:00, David Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> ...and the obvious response is if opera can do it, mozilla can do >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Way to go Operasoftware! >>>> >>>> oh, if you want another killer page, try: >>>> http://www.empowermentzone.com >>>> >>>> I'll take opera for a spin and am interested to see why the speed >>>> is so >>>> different. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jacob Schmude" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac >>>> OS X by >>>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:55 AM >>>> Subject: Opera (was Re: firefox, mozilla and voiceover:) >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi there >>>> Opera does still have some glaring Voiceover problems. The >>>> biggest one >>>> is that pop-up buttons will not speak at all, so selecting values >>>> in >>>> most forms is impossible. there are other minor issues, but this is >>>> the big one. By contrast, multi-select lists usually work quite >>>> well >>>> in Opera. >>>> The actual performance of Opera with Voiceover is blazing fast, in >>>> many cases much faster than Safari. To get an idea of how fast >>>> Opera >>>> is, visit www.blindcooltech.com with both Safari and Opera. If >>>> that's >>>> not a huge page that tests Voiceover's limits in Safari, I don't >>>> know >>>> what is--not complex, just ridiculously massive. Safari takes about >>>> twenty seconds to interact with it on my Macbook 2.4ghz. Opera >>>> takes >>>> about five seconds. In most normal-sized pages, where Safari takes >>>> several seconds to interact, opera is instantaneous. >>>> The other minor issues include not supporting a lot of navigation >>>> keys--no headings, and the like. It's very much like browsing in >>>> Tiger, though much faster. It also doesn't support Voiceover's >>>> grouped >>>> mode, and if you have group mode turned on the page gets >>>> extremely out >>>> of order. The Dom in opera seems to order things differently in any >>>> case, so it's probably confusing Voiceover's grouping function. >>>> Voiceover gets a two-dimensional view of the page in Opera anyway, >>>> even without group mode. >>>> All in all, if it weren't for that pop-up button bug, I'd probably >>>> switch to Opera as my main browser. The navigation keys aren't a >>>> big >>>> deal for me--they're nice to have, but so many pages don't have >>>> good >>>> navigation coded in anyway that I usually forget they're there. >>>> Opera >>>> says they're looking into the pop-up button issue, so hopefully >>>> we'll >>>> get a fix in the near future. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that >> cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be >> impossible to get at or repair. >> --Douglas Adams >> >> > > The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams
