I wasn't saying I like the situation, just trying to put some
perspective on it. It's not webvisum's fault that Mozilla haven't done
Mac accessibility. It's not something they can control, and as
frustrating as this situation is, let's focus the fault where it
belongs, and that isn't webvisum.
On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:16, David Poehlman wrote:
and who is paying?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Schmude" <[email protected]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Opera (was Re: firefox, mozilla and voiceover:)
Well, to be fair, browser plugins are far from universal. They would
have to maintain separate plugins for Firefox, Safari, Opera, IE, or
whatever they wanted to support. It makes sense for them to focus on
the most cross-platform of the browsers, that would be Firefox. It's
Mozilla we need to keep badgering, not the Webvisum folks.
On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:06, Will Lomas wrote:
well that's disgusting to b honest
shame on them
On 28 Dec 2008, at 17:04, Jacob Schmude wrote:
Webvisum are flatly refusing to develop for any browser except for
firefox. Period.
On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:03, Will Lomas wrote:
wish web vissum worked with opera
On 28 Dec 2008, at 17:00, David Poehlman wrote:
...and the obvious response is if opera can do it, mozilla can do
it.
Way to go Operasoftware!
oh, if you want another killer page, try:
http://www.empowermentzone.com
I'll take opera for a spin and am interested to see why the speed
is so
different.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Schmude" <[email protected]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
OS X by
theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:55 AM
Subject: Opera (was Re: firefox, mozilla and voiceover:)
Hi there
Opera does still have some glaring Voiceover problems. The
biggest one
is that pop-up buttons will not speak at all, so selecting values
in
most forms is impossible. there are other minor issues, but this
is
the big one. By contrast, multi-select lists usually work quite
well
in Opera.
The actual performance of Opera with Voiceover is blazing fast, in
many cases much faster than Safari. To get an idea of how fast
Opera
is, visit www.blindcooltech.com with both Safari and Opera. If
that's
not a huge page that tests Voiceover's limits in Safari, I don't
know
what is--not complex, just ridiculously massive. Safari takes
about
twenty seconds to interact with it on my Macbook 2.4ghz. Opera
takes
about five seconds. In most normal-sized pages, where Safari takes
several seconds to interact, opera is instantaneous.
The other minor issues include not supporting a lot of navigation
keys--no headings, and the like. It's very much like browsing in
Tiger, though much faster. It also doesn't support Voiceover's
grouped
mode, and if you have group mode turned on the page gets
extremely out
of order. The Dom in opera seems to order things differently in
any
case, so it's probably confusing Voiceover's grouping function.
Voiceover gets a two-dimensional view of the page in Opera anyway,
even without group mode.
All in all, if it weren't for that pop-up button bug, I'd probably
switch to Opera as my main browser. The navigation keys aren't a
big
deal for me--they're nice to have, but so many pages don't have
good
navigation coded in anyway that I usually forget they're there.
Opera
says they're looking into the pop-up button issue, so hopefully
we'll
get a fix in the near future.
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