On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 10:34 -0500, Vogl,Markus V wrote: > >"SYN/HAK provides an environment for people to educate, create, and > >share amongst themselves and others within the domains of technology, > >art and science." > > > >It doesn't say we need to provide 24/7 access at all. It might be a > >stretch, but I think it is almost outside of our mission to provide > >individuals access to the space without talking to other members. > > I would have no problem if a member does not say a single word to anyone > else, but simply produces on > his own time. And although it doesn't say 24/7 access, in my opinion that > is implied.
I wouldn't have a problem either. I also wouldn't ever sponsor or even vote on membership for someone who actively refuses to participate in the space and makes it a point to avoid others but still wants a key. I only want people that the membership feels comfortable around and trusts to be able to play with our Nice Things. > BTW I can't find the bylaws on the website, can you point me in the right > direction. http://synhak.org/~secretary/docs/bylaws.pdf The new server was missing a package and wasn't regenerating the PDF properly, but thats fixed now. > > >> There is always a chance that we could get cleaned out on any level, > >>this is why we have a membership process. > >> Essentially you are suggesting is to raise membership dues for a base > >>right. And I am vehemently against this. > > > >If thats the case, then I suppose I'm actually suggesting redefining > >what our base *privileges* are. You're not guaranteed a key if you pay > >$35/mo, you are guaranteed the right to apply for such a key and be > >subject to the scrutiny of our membership. > > If full membership cannot guarantee you 24/7 access than it is no longer a > full membership, call it something else then. How about "budding nerd"? The "serious geeks" are serious enough to want a key. > > > > >> Our opening day is coming up on Saturday, and this has to be solved > >>before then as we have to be clear on > >> what we tell potential members, for that reason I suggest we vote on > >>this digitally asap. > > > >According to the proposal process, we can only decide on this at the > >next meeting. If the board needs to override via a vote, the meeting > >needs called at least 5 days in advance, so *on* saturday. I won't be > >available for a board meeting that day for obvious reasons. > > > >However, nothing says we can't have a digital vote. Yet, I feel doing so > >without involving our members via the methods we've agreed upon would be > >an absolutely massive breach of trust and completely devalue the system. > > > >Lets not do that, hmm? > > As much as I am aware of this procedure, the discussion is taking place > right before opening day, where we will most likely > have member recruitment, what is our message to them? Full member will > maybe get you 24 hour access? > Also what about the members that signed up as full members and expect to > have 24 hr access? Will we no longer honor their > expectations? This discussion comes at a very inopportune time and at > least we will need to be on message for the 5th. If we have any current members who have not applied for a key but expect 24 hour access, I would like to meet them and figure out where they heard that. We have been very clear to everyone that a key to the space isn't handed out just because you're a member. > > Markus > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
