Penny I think you are misunderstanding me, you are the ones asking for change prior to Saturday.
Currently on our website it says that you would be eligible to key access at $35, if you remove that, then that's a change in structure. So for that matter you can't deny new members 24/7 eligibility. So even the members signing up at $35 level on Saturday, they will have the right to a 24/7 key under our current structure. A board vote is required to change that. You can encourage people to sign up on the $55 level, but you won't be able to deny them 24/7 access if they only pay $35. I realize that you don't value my opinion as much, yet I hope you can understand my concerns. Best Markus From: Penny Golightley <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposals for tweaking membership ranks As much as I would love a consensus before opening day, it's not going to happen. The way we set up these things is so everyone can participate but it takes time. We're beginning a new process of opening up our discussions online but the space is a physical space and it is important that all decisions are made and voted on at our physical location. Please stop pushing for a decision to be made prematurely. Not all of our members are involved online and it's not fair to them to come to a conclusion here. Since those are the members that have a presence at our location and they are putting in the physical labor to make our space great, it's their opinions that I value most. I have gone through every hackerspace's website in the USA from hackerspace.org<http://hackerspace.org>. I compiled a list of how much every hackerspace charges for 24/7 access is they were willing to share that on their website. My sample size is smaller than I'd like but I still hope that it's representative of the country's hackerspaces. At a sample size of 20 hackerspaces, the average price for 24/7 access is $72.35. We are asking for $55. I know Maker's Alliance asks for $30 but they also don't have to pay rent. It isn't like our members paying $35 will not be able to get to the space whenever they want. Trever and I live 8 minutes away from the space and between Trever, Devin, Chris and I our members are always welcome in our space. I also want to remind everyone that we have a low income level of membership. If someone is low income, I don't think it's right to deny them a key because of it. If someone needs 24/7 access to the space and simply CANNOT afford it, I would be willing to consider their key application. That's my opinion on that though. That is something else we would have to discuss. Something else I want to point out is that everyone that has shown interest in getting a key is also upgraded to Serious Geek level already. This is affecting none of our current members as things stand now. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Vogl,Markus V <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 1/2/13 12:22 PM, "Trever Fischer" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 10:43 -0500, Vogl,Markus V wrote: >> As another example Cleveland's membership is $5 cheaper than our >> current full membership and provides 24/7 access. > >Cool. Sounds like they have less expenses than us. > >Our hackerspace caters to our members, not to the members of maker's >alliance. I'm not sure comparing the monthly dues of various spaces is a >good comparison. Pumping Station One costs $70/mo. Scanning the data on >hackerspaces.org<http://hackerspaces.org> shows that prices for 24/7 access to >spaces with fewer >than 20 members has a range from $0 to $250, with a lot of them situated >around $45. Pumping Station 1 has 6000 sft, laser cutters, chemical lab and more tools you can dream of also Chicago as a large city is generally more expensive, not Akron where people make less money. Membership I don't just want this to be a discussion between Trever and me, and we have to at least have a consensus before opening day. Can you guys please chime in. Thx Best Markus _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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