On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 13:32 -0500, Byron Moran wrote: > I think that the "24/7" access is with-out a key. You would need to > contact a member to let you in, and Penny is saying that there will > always be a member available for this service that lives close enough > to provide it. Paying the extra $20 will save you the hassle of having > to do this by you having your own key. Is this correct or am I > de-railing this conversation into confusion?
That is exactly correct. I still live a stone's throw away from the space: http://goo.gl/maps/9dI6I 8 minutes on an average day, 10 if I want to stop at the circle K on the way over and pick up some snacks. > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Vogl,Markus V <[email protected]> wrote: > Penny I think you are misunderstanding me, you are the ones > asking for change prior to Saturday. > > > Currently on our website it says that you would be eligible to > key access at $35, if you remove that, then that's a change in > structure. > So for that matter you can't deny new members 24/7 > eligibility. So even the members signing up at $35 level on > Saturday, they will have the right to a 24/7 key > under our current structure. A board vote is required to > change that. You can encourage people to sign up on the $55 > level, but you won't be able to deny them > 24/7 access if they only pay $35. > > > I realize that you don't value my opinion as much, yet I hope > you can understand my concerns. > > > Best > > > Markus > > > From: Penny Golightley <[email protected]> > Reply-To: SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]> > To: SYN/HAK discussion list <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposals for tweaking membership > ranks > > > > As much as I would love a consensus before opening day, it's > not going to happen. The way we set up these things is so > everyone can participate but it takes time. We're beginning a > new process of opening up our discussions online but the space > is a physical space and it is important that all decisions are > made and voted on at our physical location. Please stop > pushing for a decision to be made prematurely. Not all of our > members are involved online and it's not fair to them to come > to a conclusion here. Since those are the members that have > a presence at our location and they are putting in the > physical labor to make our space great, it's their opinions > that I value most. > > > I have gone through every hackerspace's website in the USA > from hackerspace.org. I compiled a list of how much every > hackerspace charges for 24/7 access is they were willing to > share that on their website. My sample size is smaller than > I'd like but I still hope that it's representative of the > country's hackerspaces. At a sample size of 20 hackerspaces, > the average price for 24/7 access is $72.35. We are asking for > $55. I know Maker's Alliance asks for $30 but they also don't > have to pay rent. It isn't like our members paying $35 will > not be able to get to the space whenever they want. Trever and > I live 8 minutes away from the space and between Trever, > Devin, Chris and I our members are always welcome in our > space. I also want to remind everyone that we have a low > income level of membership. If someone is low income, I don't > think it's right to deny them a key because of it. If someone > needs 24/7 access to the space and simply CANNOT afford it, I > would be willing to consider their key application. That's my > opinion on that though. That is something else we would have > to discuss. > > > Something else I want to point out is that everyone that has > shown interest in getting a key is also upgraded to Serious > Geek level already. This is affecting none of our current > members as things stand now. > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Vogl,Markus V > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 1/2/13 12:22 PM, "Trever Fischer" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >On Wed, 2013-01-02 at 10:43 -0500, Vogl,Markus V > wrote: > >> As another example Cleveland's membership is $5 > cheaper than our > >> current full membership and provides 24/7 access. > > > >Cool. Sounds like they have less expenses than us. > > > >Our hackerspace caters to our members, not to the > members of maker's > >alliance. I'm not sure comparing the monthly dues of > various spaces is a > >good comparison. Pumping Station One costs $70/mo. > Scanning the data on > >hackerspaces.org shows that prices for 24/7 access to > spaces with fewer > >than 20 members has a range from $0 to $250, with a > lot of them situated > >around $45. > > > Pumping Station 1 has 6000 sft, laser cutters, > chemical lab and more tools > you can dream of > also Chicago as a large city is generally more > expensive, not Akron where > people make less money. > > Membership I don't just want this to be a discussion > between Trever and > me, and we have to at least have a consensus > before opening day. Can you guys please chime in. > > Thx > > Best > > Markus > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > -- > Thanks, > > > Byron D Moran > Software Development Consultant > (330)992-9766 > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
