On Tue 1 January 2013 23:30:57 Vogl, Markus V wrote: > >> Anything above a regular full member (budding member is actually a name a > >> very much disagree with) should be valuable perks,> > >Feel free to suggest an alternative name. > > It should be called full member. > > >>Right, but we have open hours every wednesday and after every tuesday > >>meeting. > > Open hours are great but you are forgetting that the base idea of any > hackerspace is to give members access to a space on their schedule, without > having to rely on somebody else being there. > There is always a chance that we could get cleaned out on any level, this is > why we have a membership process. Essentially you are suggesting is to > raise membership dues for a base right. And I am vehemently against this. > Our opening day is coming up on Saturday, and this has to be solved before > then as we have to be clear on what we tell potential members, for that > reason I suggest we vote on this digitally asap.
lol. > My vote goes against it. > > Best > > Markus > > > > > > > > Markus V. Vogl > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Assistant Professor > The University of Akron - Myers School of Art > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Folk Hall 124 A > 150 East Exchange Street > Akron, OH 44325 > (330) 972-5952 > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Trever Fischer [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, > 2013 10:43 PM > To: SYN/HAK discussion list > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposals for tweaking membership ranks > > On Tue, 2013-01-01 at 22:13 -0500, Vogl,Markus V wrote: > > Pumping Station 1 provides 24/7 access to all their paying member levels > > even starving hackers, and in my opinion this is how it should be. Paying > > members regardless of level need access to the space at all times, it's > > about access to the space on the member's time table. > Those without key access are more than welcome to send a mail to > discuss@, poke us in IRC, or get the phone number of someone who has a > key. It has been working out pretty well so far for the non-members who > have been using the TIG welder last month, thanks to Devin. > > Seeing as how I work out of my laptop, I'm more than happy to show up at > the space and stick around to clean up afterwards, provided someone lets > me know in advance. A key isn't required, but if you're asking me more > than a few times a month to unlock the space, I'll push you towards > membership and key access since it is a bit of a hassle. > > > Anything above a regular full member (budding member is actually a name a > > very much disagree with) should be valuable perks, > Feel free to suggest an alternative name. > > > but not the abolition of base member rights. We are small community and > > want to keep the entry level hurdle relatively low. Even for me paying > > $20 extra for 24hr access would be a deal breaker. > Right, but we have open hours every wednesday and after every tuesday > meeting. We're thinking of expanding this to every Saturday afternoon as > well for those who don't have the time to use the space. I also plan on > working from the space every day after we get the coworking/office space > and kitchen setup. Key access is useful for people who really want to > use the space 24/7, or don't want to hunt down a keyholder. > > It is possible though highly unlikely for someone to become a member > with a falsified student ID, falsified letter of enrollment, pay $25 for > student dues, get their free key, and wipe us clean. The key application > process vets members to prove that the entire membership absolutely > trusts that person. The membership application process tries to weed out > the kind of people who don't fit in. > > Keep in mind: a key to the space grants you total, unrestricted, 100% > unmonitored access to the entirety of our space for all 31557600 seconds > of the year, which I would value at roughly $priceless; I think only > charging $55/mo and proving that you can be trusted is a nice discount. > > > Best > > > > Markus > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Penny Golightley [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 > > 9:46 PM > > To: SYN/HAK discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposals for tweaking membership ranks > > > > Hey everybody! > > I thought it would be a good idea to let everyone know my opinion on these > > matters.> > > On Jan 1, 2013 7:56 PM, "Trever Fischer" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Howdy, all. > > > > > > At today's meeting we were discussing possibly restructuring the > > > membership perks again. > > > > > > First: Creating another higher level called Sponsor, with monthly dues > > > of $250/mo. Nothing exciting there; It can be used as a way to entice > > > corporate sponsors. > > > > We basically already have this. In my opinion, this is a great advertising > > move. I fully support this. I want to remind everyone that these amounts > > are the minimum to be at that level. You are more than welcome to pay > > more if you want to throw us some extra cash one month.> > > > Second: Bumping the requirement for a key from any member rank up to > > > serious geek ($55/mo). > > > > I'm on the fence with this. I want to hear the opinions of people who are > > budding members and those who are not members. Budding nerds (those > > paying $35/month): Is this something that seems unfair to you? Was > > eventually getting a key to the space at this price a deciding factor to > > becoming a member? What can we do to encourage you to upgrade to serious > > geek? Nonmembers: Would this change affect your decision to become a > > member in the future? I support this because it's common for other > > hackerspaces to have $50 be their price for 24/7 access. Noisebridge's > > (San Francisco's hackerspace) equivalent to our budding nerd membership > > is $45. HSL's is $50 for 24/7 acess. I'll say that we are running on a > > barely sustainable budget and we simply can't afford things that make a > > hackerspace great like new tools, new machinery and materials for > > projects. I'm against anything that discourages new members. I worry this > > would do just that. It's better for us to have a lot of budding nerds > > than a few serious geeks. Serious geek is only an extra $20 and a new > > member is $35. Also, the more members we have, the more people we have > > talking about us. Word of mouth has been our best advertisement. > > > > Long story short: I want to hear from you guys!! > > > > -Penny Golightley > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > _______________________________________________> > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Ryan Rix http://rix.si
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