Greetings, Firstly I do greatly appreciate your contributions and drive to improve SynHak. While I am sure many members could and have wired things correctly I have also heard, perhaps erroneously, of times when people wired circuits safely but still in a manner not up to code for a building and purpose that we work towards. It's unreasonable to expect someone who doesn't do it for a living to know what is code and what is not.
I do not trust all of the wiring people are modifying, I know of at least one incident where the potential for grievous bodily harm was narrowly averted. This was the fault of the previous tenants who cut corners when they removed an outlet they no longer needed but did not bother to remove the live wires, instead opting for simply lopping them off flush with the floor but still exposed. How can we be sure no other conditions like this exist? I have not threatened to call an inspector any of the numerous times I have voiced these concerns. You misunderstand my concern for the safety and liability of SynHak and its members for the will to bankrupt it. On the contrary I want to minimize risk to SynHak and prevent bankruptcy from completely avoidable causes. We have become significantly higher profile since last year, all it takes is following our lists or googling for more information for someone to discover things are not how they should be. The cost of doing things right has been used as a reason before and it's just as faulty now as it was then. Is getting electric installed expensive? Sure! Is it cheaper than getting dropped by our insurance? Absolutely. The consequences of not doing this correctly are too high to not do it. I wasn't commenting on the operation of the panel in the basement, just stating that there was a panel in the basement whose cover was off and I was unsure if it was energized or not. Andy, Just because I call someone an amateur does not mean I think they are unskilled or completely incompetent. It means they don't do it for a living, aren't licensed for such work in the city, and probably don't know every piece of the NEC, which could lead to scenarios where their wiring is safe but not up to code. regards, Andrew L On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > This is exactly why I don't announce to the lists anymore, it's very > demotivating after putting in so much time that it damages my professional > life, and every cent I have, to have my contribution seen as harmful. > > We do know a very reasonable electrician, he and his team wired 21 w. > North and is still working with us on payment. He could probably could > have knocked out 48 for about $5-6k (extremely reasonable) . Unfortunately > synhak hasn't't had the ability to pay for anywhere near half of just the > supplies needed, besides the >100 hours of volunteered time from members > who, like myself, have wired things that passed inspection in the past. > > Please stop threatening to bankrupt synhak by calling an inspector, it's > like threatening to call the police on someone who could you think may have > the capacity to harm you at some point in the future. Your point of view > isn't falling on deaf ears, there just is no other solution at this time. > If you have any alternative please say so. Personally I fear that building > is fundamentally unsound and will cave in and kill us all. There is > something that is dangerous to people at the space that have not been > involved in the buildout, but I would never threaten to call an inspector, > because what if we failed the inspection? > > As for the fuse box that hums for a few secs if you touch it (the one in > the basement you mentioned), my priority lately has been upstairs > electrical, I'll spend the next volunteer hours I have there wrapping up > the basement project instead. > > > On Feb 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:17:09 a l wrote: >> > On that note, in the basement there is (was)a breaker panel that had its >> > cover off. no one was working on it and I was unsure of any wires >> status do >> > I did not fiddle with it. My understanding is that energized panels >> -must- >> > be covered in order to comply with code. >> > >> > Lastly, there need to be plans for a licensed electrician to check this >> > work. I've voiced my distaste about amateur electrician work being done >> at >> > the space but this seems to be falling on deaf ears. This is a serious >> > liability issue. >> >> ok. >> >> what are your plans then? >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > Andrew L >> > >> > On Feb 24, 2014 8:25 AM, "Michael Griesacker" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > thanks for the safety update, Chris >> > > >> > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Chris Egeland >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> Hi everyone, >> > >> >> > >> If you come to the space tomorrow, you may notice some half-finished >> work >> > >> on the electrical installation going on in the back half of the >> space. >> > >> >> > >> Andy installed conduit from the breaker panel to the post that has >> the >> > >> hexagonal table. I installed 2 outlets in the box above, and 4 >> outlets >> > >> in >> > >> the box below. At this time, that circuit is not energized. The >> wire is >> > >> run into the load center, but is taped off and NOT hooked up to >> anything. >> > >> >> > >> If you open the electrical panel and notice that there is a spare >> set of >> > >> >> > >> wires coming in, DO NOT HOOK THEM UP YET. >> > >> >> > >> Please do not touch the stuff on the electrical panel or the two >> boxes >> > >> that haven't been finished. I'll complete those tomorrow (Monday) >> night. >> > >> >> > >> I ran out of steam and couldn't continue any further. >> > >> >> > >> Chris >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Discuss mailing list >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Discuss mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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