It isn't pvc, it was rnc (cantex), and is used indoors often. In ohio it is not allowed under a list of conditions, we hit the restriction for being a public place that is of an educational nature (paraphrased).
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > On Monday, February 24, 2014 22:27:16 Richard Johnson wrote: > > "Also Craig, Can we use your plastic conduit for the wall in > > the basement with the water leak? Since it's somewhat water proof. " > > > > As of right now, the NEC doesn't "allow" indoor use of PVC pipe. > > I believe its one of those things that will change but you never know > when. > > > > I have personally used plastic indoors but I knew it wasn't going to be > > inspected... ;) > > Yeah, we agreed some time ago that we weren't going to use it for that very > reason. > > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:22 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Firstly I do greatly appreciate your contributions and drive to improve > > > SynHak. While I am sure many members could and have wired things > correctly > > > I have also heard, perhaps erroneously, of times when people wired > > > circuits > > > safely but still in a manner not up to code for a building and purpose > > > that > > > we work towards. It's unreasonable to expect someone who doesn't do it > for > > > a living to know what is code and what is not. > > > > > > I do not trust all of the wiring people are modifying, I know of at > > > > > > least one incident where the potential for grievous bodily harm was > > > narrowly averted. This was the fault of the previous tenants who cut > > > corners when they removed an outlet they no longer needed but did not > > > bother to remove the live wires, instead opting for simply lopping them > > > off > > > flush with the floor but still exposed. How can we be sure no other > > > conditions like this exist? > > > > > > I have not threatened to call an inspector any of the numerous times I > > > > > > have voiced these concerns. You misunderstand my concern for the safety > > > and > > > liability of SynHak and its members for the will to bankrupt it. On the > > > contrary I want to minimize risk to SynHak and prevent bankruptcy from > > > completely avoidable causes. We have become significantly higher > profile > > > since last year, all it takes is following our lists or googling for > more > > > information for someone to discover things are not how they should be. > > > The cost of doing things right has been used as a reason before and > it's > > > just as faulty now as it was then. Is getting electric installed > > > expensive? > > > Sure! Is it cheaper than getting dropped by our insurance? Absolutely. > The > > > consequences of not doing this correctly are too high to not do it. > > > > > > I wasn't commenting on the operation of the panel in the basement, just > > > stating that there was a panel in the basement whose cover was off and > I > > > was unsure if it was energized or not. > > > > > > Andy, > > > Just because I call someone an amateur does not mean I think they are > > > unskilled or completely incompetent. It means they don't do it for a > > > living, aren't licensed for such work in the city, and probably don't > know > > > every piece of the NEC, which could lead to scenarios where their > wiring > > > is > > > safe but not up to code. > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > Andrew L > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> This is exactly why I don't announce to the lists anymore, it's very > > >> demotivating after putting in so much time that it damages my > > >> professional > > >> life, and every cent I have, to have my contribution seen as harmful. > > >> > > >> We do know a very reasonable electrician, he and his team wired 21 w. > > >> North and is still working with us on payment. He could probably > could > > >> have knocked out 48 for about $5-6k (extremely reasonable) . > > >> Unfortunately > > >> synhak hasn't't had the ability to pay for anywhere near half of just > the > > >> supplies needed, besides the >100 hours of volunteered time from > members > > >> who, like myself, have wired things that passed inspection in the > past. > > >> > > >> Please stop threatening to bankrupt synhak by calling an inspector, > it's > > >> like threatening to call the police on someone who could you think may > > >> have > > >> the capacity to harm you at some point in the future. Your point of > view > > >> isn't falling on deaf ears, there just is no other solution at this > time. > > >> If you have any alternative please say so. Personally I fear that > > >> building > > >> is fundamentally unsound and will cave in and kill us all. There is > > >> something that is dangerous to people at the space that have not been > > >> involved in the buildout, but I would never threaten to call an > > >> inspector, > > >> because what if we failed the inspection? > > >> > > >> As for the fuse box that hums for a few secs if you touch it (the one > in > > >> the basement you mentioned), my priority lately has been upstairs > > >> electrical, I'll spend the next volunteer hours I have there wrapping > up > > >> the basement project instead. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Feb 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:17:09 a l wrote: > > >>> > On that note, in the basement there is (was)a breaker panel that > had > > >>> > > >>> its > > >>> > > >>> > cover off. no one was working on it and I was unsure of any wires > > >>> > > >>> status do > > >>> > > >>> > I did not fiddle with it. My understanding is that energized panels > > >>> > > >>> -must- > > >>> > > >>> > be covered in order to comply with code. > > >>> > > > >>> > Lastly, there need to be plans for a licensed electrician to check > > >>> > this > > >>> > work. I've voiced my distaste about amateur electrician work being > > >>> > > >>> done at > > >>> > > >>> > the space but this seems to be falling on deaf ears. This is a > serious > > >>> > liability issue. > > >>> > > >>> ok. > > >>> > > >>> what are your plans then? > > >>> > > >>> > Regards, > > >>> > Andrew L > > >>> > > > >>> > On Feb 24, 2014 8:25 AM, "Michael Griesacker" < > [email protected]> > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > thanks for the safety update, Chris > > >>> > > > > >>> > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Chris Egeland > > >>> > > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> > >> Hi everyone, > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> If you come to the space tomorrow, you may notice some > > >>> > > >>> half-finished work > > >>> > > >>> > >> on the electrical installation going on in the back half of the > > >>> > > >>> space. > > >>> > > >>> > >> Andy installed conduit from the breaker panel to the post that > has > > >>> > > >>> the > > >>> > > >>> > >> hexagonal table. I installed 2 outlets in the box above, and 4 > > >>> > > >>> outlets > > >>> > > >>> > >> in > > >>> > >> the box below. At this time, that circuit is not energized. > The > > >>> > > >>> wire is > > >>> > > >>> > >> run into the load center, but is taped off and NOT hooked up to > > >>> > > >>> anything. > > >>> > > >>> > >> If you open the electrical panel and notice that there is a > spare > > >>> > > >>> set of > > >>> > > >>> > >> wires coming in, DO NOT HOOK THEM UP YET. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Please do not touch the stuff on the electrical panel or the two > > >>> > > >>> boxes > > >>> > > >>> > >> that haven't been finished. I'll complete those tomorrow > (Monday) > > >>> > > >>> night. > > >>> > > >>> > >> I ran out of steam and couldn't continue any further. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Chris > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >> [email protected] > > >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > > Discuss mailing list > > >>> > > [email protected] > > >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Discuss mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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