"Also Craig, Can we use your plastic conduit for the wall in the basement with the water leak? Since it's somewhat water proof. "
As of right now, the NEC doesn't "allow" indoor use of PVC pipe. I believe its one of those things that will change but you never know when. I have personally used plastic indoors but I knew it wasn't going to be inspected... ;) On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:22 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings, > > Firstly I do greatly appreciate your contributions and drive to improve > SynHak. While I am sure many members could and have wired things correctly > I have also heard, perhaps erroneously, of times when people wired circuits > safely but still in a manner not up to code for a building and purpose that > we work towards. It's unreasonable to expect someone who doesn't do it for > a living to know what is code and what is not. > > I do not trust all of the wiring people are modifying, I know of at > least one incident where the potential for grievous bodily harm was > narrowly averted. This was the fault of the previous tenants who cut > corners when they removed an outlet they no longer needed but did not > bother to remove the live wires, instead opting for simply lopping them off > flush with the floor but still exposed. How can we be sure no other > conditions like this exist? > > I have not threatened to call an inspector any of the numerous times I > have voiced these concerns. You misunderstand my concern for the safety and > liability of SynHak and its members for the will to bankrupt it. On the > contrary I want to minimize risk to SynHak and prevent bankruptcy from > completely avoidable causes. We have become significantly higher profile > since last year, all it takes is following our lists or googling for more > information for someone to discover things are not how they should be. > The cost of doing things right has been used as a reason before and it's > just as faulty now as it was then. Is getting electric installed expensive? > Sure! Is it cheaper than getting dropped by our insurance? Absolutely. The > consequences of not doing this correctly are too high to not do it. > > I wasn't commenting on the operation of the panel in the basement, just > stating that there was a panel in the basement whose cover was off and I > was unsure if it was energized or not. > > Andy, > Just because I call someone an amateur does not mean I think they are > unskilled or completely incompetent. It means they don't do it for a > living, aren't licensed for such work in the city, and probably don't know > every piece of the NEC, which could lead to scenarios where their wiring is > safe but not up to code. > > > regards, > Andrew L > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This is exactly why I don't announce to the lists anymore, it's very >> demotivating after putting in so much time that it damages my professional >> life, and every cent I have, to have my contribution seen as harmful. >> >> We do know a very reasonable electrician, he and his team wired 21 w. >> North and is still working with us on payment. He could probably could >> have knocked out 48 for about $5-6k (extremely reasonable) . Unfortunately >> synhak hasn't't had the ability to pay for anywhere near half of just the >> supplies needed, besides the >100 hours of volunteered time from members >> who, like myself, have wired things that passed inspection in the past. >> >> Please stop threatening to bankrupt synhak by calling an inspector, it's >> like threatening to call the police on someone who could you think may have >> the capacity to harm you at some point in the future. Your point of view >> isn't falling on deaf ears, there just is no other solution at this time. >> If you have any alternative please say so. Personally I fear that building >> is fundamentally unsound and will cave in and kill us all. There is >> something that is dangerous to people at the space that have not been >> involved in the buildout, but I would never threaten to call an inspector, >> because what if we failed the inspection? >> >> As for the fuse box that hums for a few secs if you touch it (the one in >> the basement you mentioned), my priority lately has been upstairs >> electrical, I'll spend the next volunteer hours I have there wrapping up >> the basement project instead. >> >> >> On Feb 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:17:09 a l wrote: >>> > On that note, in the basement there is (was)a breaker panel that had >>> its >>> > cover off. no one was working on it and I was unsure of any wires >>> status do >>> > I did not fiddle with it. My understanding is that energized panels >>> -must- >>> > be covered in order to comply with code. >>> > >>> > Lastly, there need to be plans for a licensed electrician to check this >>> > work. I've voiced my distaste about amateur electrician work being >>> done at >>> > the space but this seems to be falling on deaf ears. This is a serious >>> > liability issue. >>> >>> ok. >>> >>> what are your plans then? >>> >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > Andrew L >>> > >>> > On Feb 24, 2014 8:25 AM, "Michael Griesacker" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > thanks for the safety update, Chris >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Chris Egeland >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > >> Hi everyone, >>> > >> >>> > >> If you come to the space tomorrow, you may notice some >>> half-finished work >>> > >> on the electrical installation going on in the back half of the >>> space. >>> > >> >>> > >> Andy installed conduit from the breaker panel to the post that has >>> the >>> > >> hexagonal table. I installed 2 outlets in the box above, and 4 >>> outlets >>> > >> in >>> > >> the box below. At this time, that circuit is not energized. The >>> wire is >>> > >> run into the load center, but is taped off and NOT hooked up to >>> anything. >>> > >> >>> > >> If you open the electrical panel and notice that there is a spare >>> set of >>> > >> >>> > >> wires coming in, DO NOT HOOK THEM UP YET. >>> > >> >>> > >> Please do not touch the stuff on the electrical panel or the two >>> boxes >>> > >> that haven't been finished. I'll complete those tomorrow (Monday) >>> night. >>> > >> >>> > >> I ran out of steam and couldn't continue any further. >>> > >> >>> > >> Chris >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>> > >> [email protected] >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > -- Richard Johnson RJ Consulting - *Making concepts reality* *(937) - 583 - 1725* r-j-consulting.com University of Akron
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