On Monday, February 24, 2014 22:27:16 Richard Johnson wrote: > "Also Craig, Can we use your plastic conduit for the wall in > the basement with the water leak? Since it's somewhat water proof. " > > As of right now, the NEC doesn't "allow" indoor use of PVC pipe. > I believe its one of those things that will change but you never know when. > > I have personally used plastic indoors but I knew it wasn't going to be > inspected... ;)
Yeah, we agreed some time ago that we weren't going to use it for that very reason. > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:22 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > Firstly I do greatly appreciate your contributions and drive to improve > > SynHak. While I am sure many members could and have wired things correctly > > I have also heard, perhaps erroneously, of times when people wired > > circuits > > safely but still in a manner not up to code for a building and purpose > > that > > we work towards. It's unreasonable to expect someone who doesn't do it for > > a living to know what is code and what is not. > > > > I do not trust all of the wiring people are modifying, I know of at > > > > least one incident where the potential for grievous bodily harm was > > narrowly averted. This was the fault of the previous tenants who cut > > corners when they removed an outlet they no longer needed but did not > > bother to remove the live wires, instead opting for simply lopping them > > off > > flush with the floor but still exposed. How can we be sure no other > > conditions like this exist? > > > > I have not threatened to call an inspector any of the numerous times I > > > > have voiced these concerns. You misunderstand my concern for the safety > > and > > liability of SynHak and its members for the will to bankrupt it. On the > > contrary I want to minimize risk to SynHak and prevent bankruptcy from > > completely avoidable causes. We have become significantly higher profile > > since last year, all it takes is following our lists or googling for more > > information for someone to discover things are not how they should be. > > The cost of doing things right has been used as a reason before and it's > > just as faulty now as it was then. Is getting electric installed > > expensive? > > Sure! Is it cheaper than getting dropped by our insurance? Absolutely. The > > consequences of not doing this correctly are too high to not do it. > > > > I wasn't commenting on the operation of the panel in the basement, just > > stating that there was a panel in the basement whose cover was off and I > > was unsure if it was energized or not. > > > > Andy, > > Just because I call someone an amateur does not mean I think they are > > unskilled or completely incompetent. It means they don't do it for a > > living, aren't licensed for such work in the city, and probably don't know > > every piece of the NEC, which could lead to scenarios where their wiring > > is > > safe but not up to code. > > > > > > regards, > > Andrew L > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This is exactly why I don't announce to the lists anymore, it's very > >> demotivating after putting in so much time that it damages my > >> professional > >> life, and every cent I have, to have my contribution seen as harmful. > >> > >> We do know a very reasonable electrician, he and his team wired 21 w. > >> North and is still working with us on payment. He could probably could > >> have knocked out 48 for about $5-6k (extremely reasonable) . > >> Unfortunately > >> synhak hasn't't had the ability to pay for anywhere near half of just the > >> supplies needed, besides the >100 hours of volunteered time from members > >> who, like myself, have wired things that passed inspection in the past. > >> > >> Please stop threatening to bankrupt synhak by calling an inspector, it's > >> like threatening to call the police on someone who could you think may > >> have > >> the capacity to harm you at some point in the future. Your point of view > >> isn't falling on deaf ears, there just is no other solution at this time. > >> If you have any alternative please say so. Personally I fear that > >> building > >> is fundamentally unsound and will cave in and kill us all. There is > >> something that is dangerous to people at the space that have not been > >> involved in the buildout, but I would never threaten to call an > >> inspector, > >> because what if we failed the inspection? > >> > >> As for the fuse box that hums for a few secs if you touch it (the one in > >> the basement you mentioned), my priority lately has been upstairs > >> electrical, I'll spend the next volunteer hours I have there wrapping up > >> the basement project instead. > >> > >> > >> On Feb 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected]> > >> > >> wrote: > >>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:17:09 a l wrote: > >>> > On that note, in the basement there is (was)a breaker panel that had > >>> > >>> its > >>> > >>> > cover off. no one was working on it and I was unsure of any wires > >>> > >>> status do > >>> > >>> > I did not fiddle with it. My understanding is that energized panels > >>> > >>> -must- > >>> > >>> > be covered in order to comply with code. > >>> > > >>> > Lastly, there need to be plans for a licensed electrician to check > >>> > this > >>> > work. I've voiced my distaste about amateur electrician work being > >>> > >>> done at > >>> > >>> > the space but this seems to be falling on deaf ears. This is a serious > >>> > liability issue. > >>> > >>> ok. > >>> > >>> what are your plans then? > >>> > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Andrew L > >>> > > >>> > On Feb 24, 2014 8:25 AM, "Michael Griesacker" <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > thanks for the safety update, Chris > >>> > > > >>> > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Chris Egeland > >>> > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > >> Hi everyone, > >>> > >> > >>> > >> If you come to the space tomorrow, you may notice some > >>> > >>> half-finished work > >>> > >>> > >> on the electrical installation going on in the back half of the > >>> > >>> space. > >>> > >>> > >> Andy installed conduit from the breaker panel to the post that has > >>> > >>> the > >>> > >>> > >> hexagonal table. I installed 2 outlets in the box above, and 4 > >>> > >>> outlets > >>> > >>> > >> in > >>> > >> the box below. At this time, that circuit is not energized. The > >>> > >>> wire is > >>> > >>> > >> run into the load center, but is taped off and NOT hooked up to > >>> > >>> anything. > >>> > >>> > >> If you open the electrical panel and notice that there is a spare > >>> > >>> set of > >>> > >>> > >> wires coming in, DO NOT HOOK THEM UP YET. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Please do not touch the stuff on the electrical panel or the two > >>> > >>> boxes > >>> > >>> > >> that haven't been finished. I'll complete those tomorrow (Monday) > >>> > >>> night. > >>> > >>> > >> I ran out of steam and couldn't continue any further. > >>> > >> > >>> > >> Chris > >>> > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >> Discuss mailing list > >>> > >> [email protected] > >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Discuss mailing list > >>> > > [email protected] > >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
