(nm on the pvc - i'm really snippy tonight) I'm not a professional, never been a journeymen, i'm not even an active apprentice anymore. I can say that everyone who has done anything with the electrical system there has done it in a professional manner. Work has been done copying what is known good. When a question has come up it has been asked to others inside and outside the space until it is found (or at least googled). Nobody is staple gunning up extension cords here, or engineering "solutions" based on what's in front of them. This is why the electrical side of the build out has cost so much, if something was needed it was bought. There are still tasks to complete, and eventually all old wiring could be replaced, but I am thankful there are enough skilled and willing volunteers to be able to handle building a new electrical infrastructure. It was something i thoroughly enjoyed at the last space. What's going in is of a much higher quality than a dated system you would find in a typical leased building (such as ours when we moved in). It's high enough quality you could run a hackerspace on it. :)
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > It isn't pvc, it was rnc (cantex), and is used indoors often. In ohio it > is not allowed under a list of conditions, we hit the restriction for being > a public place that is of an educational nature (paraphrased). > > > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 22:27:16 Richard Johnson wrote: >> > "Also Craig, Can we use your plastic conduit for the wall in >> > the basement with the water leak? Since it's somewhat water proof. " >> > >> > As of right now, the NEC doesn't "allow" indoor use of PVC pipe. >> > I believe its one of those things that will change but you never know >> when. >> > >> > I have personally used plastic indoors but I knew it wasn't going to be >> > inspected... ;) >> >> Yeah, we agreed some time ago that we weren't going to use it for that >> very >> reason. >> >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:22 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Greetings, >> > > >> > > Firstly I do greatly appreciate your contributions and drive to >> improve >> > > SynHak. While I am sure many members could and have wired things >> correctly >> > > I have also heard, perhaps erroneously, of times when people wired >> > > circuits >> > > safely but still in a manner not up to code for a building and purpose >> > > that >> > > we work towards. It's unreasonable to expect someone who doesn't do >> it for >> > > a living to know what is code and what is not. >> > > >> > > I do not trust all of the wiring people are modifying, I know of at >> > > >> > > least one incident where the potential for grievous bodily harm was >> > > narrowly averted. This was the fault of the previous tenants who cut >> > > corners when they removed an outlet they no longer needed but did not >> > > bother to remove the live wires, instead opting for simply lopping >> them >> > > off >> > > flush with the floor but still exposed. How can we be sure no other >> > > conditions like this exist? >> > > >> > > I have not threatened to call an inspector any of the numerous times >> I >> > > >> > > have voiced these concerns. You misunderstand my concern for the >> safety >> > > and >> > > liability of SynHak and its members for the will to bankrupt it. On >> the >> > > contrary I want to minimize risk to SynHak and prevent bankruptcy from >> > > completely avoidable causes. We have become significantly higher >> profile >> > > since last year, all it takes is following our lists or googling for >> more >> > > information for someone to discover things are not how they should be. >> > > The cost of doing things right has been used as a reason before and >> it's >> > > just as faulty now as it was then. Is getting electric installed >> > > expensive? >> > > Sure! Is it cheaper than getting dropped by our insurance? >> Absolutely. The >> > > consequences of not doing this correctly are too high to not do it. >> > > >> > > I wasn't commenting on the operation of the panel in the basement, >> just >> > > stating that there was a panel in the basement whose cover was off >> and I >> > > was unsure if it was energized or not. >> > > >> > > Andy, >> > > Just because I call someone an amateur does not mean I think they are >> > > unskilled or completely incompetent. It means they don't do it for a >> > > living, aren't licensed for such work in the city, and probably don't >> know >> > > every piece of the NEC, which could lead to scenarios where their >> wiring >> > > is >> > > safe but not up to code. >> > > >> > > >> > > regards, >> > > Andrew L >> > > >> > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> This is exactly why I don't announce to the lists anymore, it's very >> > >> demotivating after putting in so much time that it damages my >> > >> professional >> > >> life, and every cent I have, to have my contribution seen as harmful. >> > >> >> > >> We do know a very reasonable electrician, he and his team wired 21 w. >> > >> North and is still working with us on payment. He could probably >> could >> > >> have knocked out 48 for about $5-6k (extremely reasonable) . >> > >> Unfortunately >> > >> synhak hasn't't had the ability to pay for anywhere near half of >> just the >> > >> supplies needed, besides the >100 hours of volunteered time from >> members >> > >> who, like myself, have wired things that passed inspection in the >> past. >> > >> >> > >> Please stop threatening to bankrupt synhak by calling an inspector, >> it's >> > >> like threatening to call the police on someone who could you think >> may >> > >> have >> > >> the capacity to harm you at some point in the future. Your point of >> view >> > >> isn't falling on deaf ears, there just is no other solution at this >> time. >> > >> If you have any alternative please say so. Personally I fear that >> > >> building >> > >> is fundamentally unsound and will cave in and kill us all. There is >> > >> something that is dangerous to people at the space that have not been >> > >> involved in the buildout, but I would never threaten to call an >> > >> inspector, >> > >> because what if we failed the inspection? >> > >> >> > >> As for the fuse box that hums for a few secs if you touch it (the >> one in >> > >> the basement you mentioned), my priority lately has been upstairs >> > >> electrical, I'll spend the next volunteer hours I have there >> wrapping up >> > >> the basement project instead. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Feb 24, 2014 12:12 PM, "Torrie Fischer" <[email protected] >> > >> > >> >> > >> wrote: >> > >>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:17:09 a l wrote: >> > >>> > On that note, in the basement there is (was)a breaker panel that >> had >> > >>> >> > >>> its >> > >>> >> > >>> > cover off. no one was working on it and I was unsure of any wires >> > >>> >> > >>> status do >> > >>> >> > >>> > I did not fiddle with it. My understanding is that energized >> panels >> > >>> >> > >>> -must- >> > >>> >> > >>> > be covered in order to comply with code. >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Lastly, there need to be plans for a licensed electrician to check >> > >>> > this >> > >>> > work. I've voiced my distaste about amateur electrician work being >> > >>> >> > >>> done at >> > >>> >> > >>> > the space but this seems to be falling on deaf ears. This is a >> serious >> > >>> > liability issue. >> > >>> >> > >>> ok. >> > >>> >> > >>> what are your plans then? >> > >>> >> > >>> > Regards, >> > >>> > Andrew L >> > >>> > >> > >>> > On Feb 24, 2014 8:25 AM, "Michael Griesacker" < >> [email protected]> >> > >>> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> > > thanks for the safety update, Chris >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Chris Egeland >> > >>> >> > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >>> > >> Hi everyone, >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> If you come to the space tomorrow, you may notice some >> > >>> >> > >>> half-finished work >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> on the electrical installation going on in the back half of the >> > >>> >> > >>> space. >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> Andy installed conduit from the breaker panel to the post that >> has >> > >>> >> > >>> the >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> hexagonal table. I installed 2 outlets in the box above, and 4 >> > >>> >> > >>> outlets >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> in >> > >>> > >> the box below. At this time, that circuit is not energized. >> The >> > >>> >> > >>> wire is >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> run into the load center, but is taped off and NOT hooked up to >> > >>> >> > >>> anything. >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> If you open the electrical panel and notice that there is a >> spare >> > >>> >> > >>> set of >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> wires coming in, DO NOT HOOK THEM UP YET. >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> Please do not touch the stuff on the electrical panel or the >> two >> > >>> >> > >>> boxes >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> that haven't been finished. I'll complete those tomorrow >> (Monday) >> > >>> >> > >>> night. >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> I ran out of steam and couldn't continue any further. >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> Chris >> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> > >> Discuss mailing list >> > >>> > >> [email protected] >> > >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >> > >>> > > Discuss mailing list >> > >>> > > [email protected] >> > >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Discuss mailing list >> > >>> [email protected] >> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Discuss mailing list >> > >> [email protected] >> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Discuss mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >
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