On Monday, March 03, 2014 14:15:15 Justin Herman wrote: > Torrie, > > I would appreciate it if you could refrain from treating me like I am > attacking you.
It'd be super cool if you also stopped treating me like I'm acting irresponsibly with the space's money. I honestly have no idea why one would think so or what I could possibly do to convince you otherwise. Considering the current atmosphere of distrust towards me in the space, I've deemed pouring any more effort into that a waste of time, so I guess everyone will have to deal with the level of transparency I currently provide. In my personal opinion, I can't find any other organization that is as transparent with finances as I try to be. > > I am not your enemy. I see things differently than you BUT I respect your > point of view. I expect that you do the same. You *don't* have to agree > with me.* I expect you to "Be excellent to each other." *I don't feel like > I am treated with excellence, I feel treated with hate. You have insulted > me and my ideas by calling me an idiot. You treat me as if I am trying to > defraud the group. Ah jeez, I called you an idiot? Surely there is a citation for that. Everyone knows how much of a stickler I am for documentation and how irritated I get when stuff isn't on a mailing list. If you're concerned that I think you're trying to defraud the group, how about answering some of the serious questions I've raised relating to your special lease arrangement with the space? Why not push for more conflict resolution mechanisms? Along the same lines, fighting so hard against a proposal from two weeks ago that says we write down exactly what we are agreeing upon so nobody gets confused and subsequently hurt is rather fascinating. When someone claims I am defrauding anyone, I immediately start asking questions about how I can prove that I'm not. Its a lot easier for everyone involved than jumping up and saying "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" > > If you feel I have done something to warrant this disdain I ask that you > tell me as I am not aware. > If you feel you have grounds to warrant a termination of my membership I > encourage you to follow our bylaws (see sections 5.5, 5.6, & 5.8) I'm not activating that until we have a Community Working Group in place. Removing a member is not a solution as long as there is an option for conflict resolution. > > I am formally asking you to stop treating me like this. If you don't think > you can follow SynHak's mantra of excellence I question why you stay > involved. Someone didn't read my novel. https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003316.html > > Respectfully, > > ~J.Herman > > > PS: you sponsored me > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 13:24:14 Justin Herman wrote: > > > SynHak.org needs to be multiple things. A "playground" maybe should not > > > > be > > > > > what we use it for. I don't use the plumbing or electric as a > > > > "playground" > > > > > they are infrastructure. They are constructs. > > > > Oh ok. I'll stop listening then if thats what you think about SYNHAK. No > > sense > > in beating my head against a brick wall any more. You simply don't get the > > culture. > > > > I'm not sure who sponsored your membership, but if it was me, I'm > > regretting > > it. I'll be sure to be a lot more careful in the future. > > > > > Instead of asking why AWS is the best, I should have asked what are the > > > goals? > > > > > > As far as physical security it had been discussed (for the build working > > > group) that security be put in place around the primary infrastructure. > > > > You > > > > > mention a javelin and/or beer but what stops someone from doing that > > > > right > > > > > now to some of our other precious items (3d printer)? Members. We vet > > > our > > > members though our membership process. Non of our members have malicious > > > intentions. If they do we have processes in place to remove them. And if > > > something catastrophic happens what risk are we at? What could not be > > > backed up and re-implemented? Implementing backup procedures would be > > > important. We all have tolerated outages in the past. A few days of > > > > outage > > > > > for our wiki or spiff is that worth 4 months as a member? We could > > > > offsite > > > > > host a semi static page for little to no cost. If 48 summit goes > > > off-line > > > no guests would be the wiser. > > > > > > With regards to migration I suggest virtualization. Pick your flavor: > > > Proxmox, Hyper-v, ZEN, ESXi. (I can donate a essentials plus license for > > > ESXi if needed) or something else. Then rebuild using git. > > > > > > I don't love TWC but I see this as turning point. A time to re-evaluate. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Torrie Fischer > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:32:48 Justin Herman wrote: > > > > > As far as reimbursement and membership credit I have submitted them. > > > > > > > > *nod* > > > > > > > > Its in my backlog. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > My question is why no other options viable for hosting? > > > > > > > > > > > > Why MUST we use AWS? Why do we need 99.99 availability for 6 > > > > servers? > > > > > > Why > > > > > > > > > > could we not hybrid the design (like Craig said) and use some > > > > > > local > > > > > > hosting > > > > > > and some AWS? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hardware is cheap and easy to come by. Hosting our own allows us > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > TON more CPU and RAM and storage. It something like > > > > > > > > spiff/wiki/fileserver > > > > > > > > > > due to hardware failure, upgrade needs, network connection... we > > > > could > > > > > > > > always but a static page for our contact info so it doesn't seem > > > > like > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > fell off the face of the internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want to have a class on AWS by all means fire up a demo > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > > has nothing to do with our production infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know we all want more internet and lots of people SAY TWC is > > > > > > > > unreliable > > > > > > > > > > but I haven't seen anything saying HOW unreliable at the 48 Summit > > > > > > > > space > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > is. Are we down or frequent outages? Not getting promised service > > > > > > <BW>? > > > > > > Excessive packet loss? Are we taking metrics? > > > > > > > > > > > > And if TWC is that bad WHY was it chosen to use them? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right > > > > > >> now, > > > > > >> just grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that > > > > said it > > > > > > > >> wasn't needed (sorry, in a mood). Unless (crosses fingers) this > > > > is > > > > > > meant > > > > > > > > > >> as a way to test a new, functional system for the space approving > > > > > >> purchases, if so: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Is there a budget for the space that includes consumables like > > > > toilet > > > > > > > >> paper that any member is allowed to see / comment on? What > > > > > > > > percentage of > > > > > > > > > >> the remainder of that does this $200 represent? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As I mentioned before, I think this is a great idea, and the > > > > > >> lower > > > > > > > > price > > > > > > > > > >> tag just makes it better. I also have mentioned we should be > > > > paying > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > >> for internet so we can supplement our real host with some old > > > > > > > > fashioned > > > > > > > > > >> house file servers (and a webcam/open sign/phone that doesn't > > > > require > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > >> much maintenance). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If a call for comments is up, my only concern is one of not > > > > knowing > > > > > > > >> if > > > > > >> the amount we have for monthly improvements has included all the > > > > > >> consumables I would think higher priority (such as toilet paper). > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > >> also surprised that there is a penny left in this fund after 2 > > > > months > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > >> building. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Torrie Fischer < > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >>> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:35:51 Justin Herman wrote: > > > > > >>> > I agree with Andrew, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need > > > > to > > > > > > > >>> evaluate > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > the needs of the infrastructure. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> If you've got "several concerns", what are those concerns? I too > > > > can > > > > > > > >>> claim to > > > > > >>> be "concerned" about something and not actually say why. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Instead of doing any useful synhak work today or tomorrow, I'll > > > > be > > > > > > > >>> producing a > > > > > >>> technical report that shows why this investment will benefit the > > > > > > > > hacker > > > > > > > > > >>> community we aim to support. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>> > > WAT? > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > first you said it was $1.60 > > > > > >>> > > Then $16.40 > > > > > >>> > > Now it's $123.10 > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > ? > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>> > >> Previous thread: > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html > > > > > > > >>> > >> I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two > > > > > > > > t1.micro > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> instances > > > > > >>> > >> in that proposal for the purpose of web servers. > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 > > > > up > > > > > > > >>> front will > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure > > > > > > > > expenses > > > > > > > > > >>> low > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> for the > > > > > >>> > >> next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest > > > > elsewhere > > > > > > > >>> with a > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> break > > > > > >>> > >> even point of 12 months. > > > > > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > > > > >>> > >> [email protected] > > > > > >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> > > Discuss mailing list > > > > > >>> > > [email protected] > > > > > >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> Discuss mailing list > > > > > >>> [email protected] > > > > > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> Discuss mailing list > > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
