I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full maturity. Guess that will be a topic for another week.
D. On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, "Ken Burns" <[email protected]> wrote: > We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about the > formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the disputes > going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the formation of the > group via the mailing list today. However I was notified today by some of > those directly involved in the disputes that they would prefer to > immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the proposals > that were previously submitted to the discuss list. These existing > proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to Something New > Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member and officer from > their positions for breach of trust. > > Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote immediately, > the need for the formation of a temporary Community Working Group to > discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, therefore I will not be > making the proposal to create this group. > > All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate about > SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking with > everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about what is best > for us. Please, let's try to find some common ground and starting working > again together to build up the space into something great. Let's get back > to being excellent to each other again. > > I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain > impartial on these matters for now. > > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Ken Burns > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace > > With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that we > take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out a > bit. > > There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board > members. I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions or > discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have been > flying around tonight. Doing so at this point will likely lead to more > argument and further tear the community apart. > > I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the > weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to look > into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously failed on > several topics. I plan on coming to the board meeting for a short bit > tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this proposal for an > official submission to the full membership at tomorrow meeting and on the > discuss list. > > If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to help resolve these > disputes, can was also agree as a membership to chill out for the time > being on the following topics: > > - Lease of racks to a Something New Entertainment > - Votes to remove of any board member or officer from their position for > breach of trust > - Discussions on any policy changes, such as Drug Policy, illegal activity > policies, etc > - Breaking up SYN/HAK into different parts (aka Hackerspace / Makerspace) > > I look forward to meeting tonight, and also tomorrow night at the standard > meeting, to discuss the formation of a Community Working Group, and also to > not discussing the other items at this point, until said group has its > chance to review the issues in an independent way. > > There is a way forward out of this mess, let's just give it a chance and > hold off on the arguments for a while. > > Thank you, > > Ken > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Torrie Fischer > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace > > On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:30:56 Michael Griesacker wrote: > > oops, that was for everyone > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Michael Griesacker <[email protected]> > > Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Akron Makerspace > > To: Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> > > > > > > I think Synhak is already a healthy part makerspace, although we're > > not trying to push out the hackers. I did read the article, and think > > that we have developed into what we are as we evolved from our humble > > beginnings. I don't see the need to try to separate the two at this > > stage, and I think that trying to do so denies what we've built so far > > as a community. -but I will try to remain open about that. > > Based on these recent developments regarding the heavy handed attempt to > use the board for dictating how we approach community issues and the > vitriolic responses I get in my inbox every day, I think there is certainly > a demand for a more regulated and top-down approach to governance along > traditional business lines. > > Hence, a makerspace. > > I don't think starting a makerspace would break apart the community as > much as it would provide an outlet for some of these managerial and > anti-communal energies. Plus, it'd be a much better platform for the formal > education initiatives that others want to use SYNHAK for. > > I'd say that this stuff has been developing for the past 7 months or so. > Its time we had a serious conversation about this, likely using the CWG > framework that Ken proposed. I feel that the decision to step forward and > build a makerspace could spring forth as a compromise between those who > feel that renting out SYNHAK to startups is an acceptable use of the space > and those who do not. > > If I'm not building SYNHAK or making bank, I'm spending my time working on > OSC and helping rebuild the economic situation in Akron. I'm not against > cheap rent for startups who want to get things moving, but renting out a > hackerspace is way beyond reason. > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Torrie Fischer > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Hi, members@ and board@. > > > > > > Is there interest in starting a real Makerspace here in Akron, or is > > > this effort to re-appropriate SYNHAK into one going to continue? > > > > > > I need to know, so I can figure out when I should give up fighting > > > and start looking to sell my house and skip town. I'm pretty tired > > > of beating my head against this wall of opposition and seeing this > > > community shared goal of a hacker collective dry up before my eyes. > > > > > > If you're not sure of the difference, please thoroughly read this > > > link I posted on friday: > > > > > > > > > http://makezine.com/2013/05/22/the-difference-between-hackerspaces-m > > > akersp > > > aces-techshops-and-fablabs/ > > > > > > Here's what Noisebridge is all about, which was the basis for > > > starting > > > SYNHAK: > > > > > > http://noisebridge.net/wiki/Vision > > > > > > I really do want to know if your vision for SYNHAK is incompatible > > > with mine. > > > It certainly feels like the community is intent on taking this idea > > > and transforming it at its very foundations. > > > > > > If y'all want a Makerspace, let me know. It can happen, we don't > > > have to argue about it, and it can coexist with SYNHAK. There is a > > > $3.7 million grant from the state of ohio already coming to Akron to > > > build one in the morley health center, but the people building it > > > have no idea about the makers and hackers in the city. I'd rather > > > the expertise from SYNHAK continues to do awesome things instead of > > > being swiftly extinguished. > > > > > > Here's the details about the Makerspace grant: > > > > > > > > > http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140223/SUB1/302239986/1072/ > > > TOC?Pr > > > ofile=1072&template=printart > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Members mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > _______________________________________________ > Members mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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