On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:05:18 Justin Herman wrote:
> Please stop attacking people on the discuss list.

How was I attacking anyone?

Are these not facts?

> 
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Torrie Fischer 
<[email protected]>wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 16:41:45 Devin Wolfe wrote:
> > > I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full maturity.
> > 
> > Guess
> > 
> > > that will be a topic for another week.
> > 
> > You signed a sublease without having the legal authority to do so.
> > 
> > You sidestepped all calls for discussion about this sublease.
> > 
> > You wanted the board to immediately approve a drug policy without
> > community
> > feedback or discussion.
> > 
> > You called for an "emergency" board meeting behind everyone's back and had
> > to
> > be told by Omar that it isn't permitted in the bylaws.
> > 
> > You rushed out to tell people that we're voting on a proposal that is only
> > four days old.
> > 
> > Do you even know how SYNHAK works?
> > 
> > *Do you not see why I find you unfit for the position of Champion?*
> > 
> > > D.
> > > 
> > > On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, "Ken Burns" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the
> > > > disputes
> > > > going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the formation of
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > group via the mailing list today.   However I was notified today by
> > 
> > some
> > 
> > > > of
> > > > those directly involved in the disputes that they would prefer to
> > > > immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the
> > 
> > proposals
> > 
> > > > that were previously submitted to the discuss list.  These existing
> > > > proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to Something New
> > > > Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member and officer
> > > > from
> > > > their positions for breach of trust.
> > > > 
> > > > Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote
> > 
> > immediately,
> > 
> > > > the need for the formation of a temporary Community Working Group to
> > > > discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, therefore I will not be
> > > > making the proposal to create this group.
> > > > 
> > > > All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate
> > > > about
> > > > SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking with
> > > > everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about what is
> > > > best
> > > > for us.  Please, let's try to find some common ground and starting
> > 
> > working
> > 
> > > > again together to build up the space into something great.  Let's get
> > 
> > back
> > 
> > > > to being excellent to each other again.
> > > > 
> > > > I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain
> > > > impartial on these matters for now.
> > > > 
> > > > Ken
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > 
> > On
> > 
> > > > Behalf Of Ken Burns
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace
> > > > 
> > > > With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that
> > > > we
> > > > take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out
> > 
> > a
> > 
> > > > bit.
> > > > 
> > > > There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board
> > > > members.  I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > > > discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have been
> > > > flying around tonight.  Doing so at this point will likely lead to
> > > > more
> > > > argument and further tear the community apart.
> > > > 
> > > > I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the
> > > > weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to
> > > > look
> > > > into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously failed
> > 
> > on
> > 
> > > > several topics.  I plan on coming to the board meeting for a short bit
> > > > tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this proposal for
> > 
> > an
> > 
> > > > official submission to the full membership at tomorrow meeting and on
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > discuss list.
> > > > 
> > > > If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to help resolve
> > 
> > these
> > 
> > > > disputes, can was also agree as a membership to chill out for the time
> > > > being on the following topics:
> > > > 
> > > > - Lease of racks to a Something New Entertainment
> > > > - Votes to remove of any board member or officer from their position
> > 
> > for
> > 
> > > > breach of trust
> > > > - Discussions on any policy changes, such as Drug Policy, illegal
> > 
> > activity
> > 
> > > > policies, etc
> > > > - Breaking up SYN/HAK into different parts (aka Hackerspace /
> > 
> > Makerspace)
> > 
> > > > I look forward to meeting tonight, and also tomorrow night at the
> > 
> > standard
> > 
> > > > meeting, to discuss the formation of a Community Working Group, and
> > 
> > also
> > 
> > > > to
> > > > not discussing the other items at this point, until said group has its
> > > > chance to review the issues in an independent way.
> > > > 
> > > > There is a way forward out of this mess, let's just give it a chance
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > > > hold off on the arguments for a while.
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > 
> > > > Ken
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > 
> > On
> > 
> > > > Behalf Of Torrie Fischer
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:43 PM
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace
> > > > 
> > > > On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:30:56 Michael Griesacker wrote:
> > > > > oops, that was for everyone
> > > > > 
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > From: Michael Griesacker <[email protected]>
> > > > > Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Akron Makerspace
> > > > > To: Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think Synhak is already a healthy part makerspace, although we're
> > > > > not trying to push out the hackers. I did read the article, and
> > > > > think
> > > > > that we have developed into what we are as we evolved from our
> > > > > humble
> > > > > beginnings. I don't see the need to try to separate the two at this
> > > > > stage, and I think that trying to do so denies what we've built so
> > 
> > far
> > 
> > > > > as a community.  -but I will try to remain open about that.
> > > > 
> > > > Based on these recent developments regarding the heavy handed attempt
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > > use the board for dictating how we approach community issues and the
> > > > vitriolic responses I get in my inbox every day, I think there is
> > > > certainly
> > > > a demand for a more regulated and top-down approach to governance
> > > > along
> > > > traditional business lines.
> > > > 
> > > > Hence, a makerspace.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think starting a makerspace would break apart the community as
> > > > much as it would provide an outlet for some of these managerial and
> > > > anti-communal energies. Plus, it'd be a much better platform for the
> > > > formal
> > > > education initiatives that others want to use SYNHAK for.
> > > > 
> > > > I'd say that this stuff has been developing for the past 7 months or
> > 
> > so.
> > 
> > > > Its time we had a serious conversation about this, likely using the
> > > > CWG
> > > > framework that Ken proposed. I feel that the decision to step forward
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > > > build a makerspace could spring forth as a compromise between those
> > > > who
> > > > feel that renting out SYNHAK to startups is an acceptable use of the
> > 
> > space
> > 
> > > > and those who do not.
> > > > 
> > > > If I'm not building SYNHAK or making bank, I'm spending my time
> > 
> > working on
> > 
> > > > OSC and helping rebuild the economic situation in Akron. I'm not
> > 
> > against
> > 
> > > > cheap rent for startups who want to get things moving, but renting out
> > 
> > a
> > 
> > > > hackerspace is way beyond reason.
> > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Torrie Fischer
> > > > > 
> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, members@ and board@.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is there interest in starting a real Makerspace here in Akron, or
> > 
> > is
> > 
> > > > > > this effort to re-appropriate SYNHAK into one going to continue?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I need to know, so I can figure out when I should give up fighting
> > > > > > and start looking to sell my house and skip town. I'm pretty tired
> > > > > > of beating my head against this wall of opposition and seeing this
> > > > > > community shared goal of a hacker collective dry up before my
> > > > > > eyes.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you're not sure of the difference, please thoroughly read this
> > 
> > > > > > link I posted on friday:
> > http://makezine.com/2013/05/22/the-difference-between-hackerspaces-m
> > 
> > > > > > akersp
> > > > > > aces-techshops-and-fablabs/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here's what Noisebridge is all about, which was the basis for
> > > > > > starting
> > > > > > SYNHAK:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://noisebridge.net/wiki/Vision
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I really do want to know if your vision for SYNHAK is incompatible
> > > > > > with mine.
> > > > > > It certainly feels like the community is intent on taking this
> > > > > > idea
> > > > > > and transforming it at its very foundations.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If y'all want a Makerspace, let me know. It can happen, we don't
> > > > > > have to argue about it, and it can coexist with SYNHAK. There is a
> > > > > > $3.7 million grant from the state of ohio already coming to Akron
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > > > > build one in the morley health center, but the people building it
> > > > > > have no idea about the makers and hackers in the city. I'd rather
> > > > > > the expertise from SYNHAK continues to do awesome things instead
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > being swiftly extinguished.
> > 
> > > > > > Here's the details about the Makerspace grant:
> > http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140223/SUB1/302239986/1072/
> > 
> > > > > > TOC?Pr
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