On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:05:18 Justin Herman wrote: > Please stop attacking people on the discuss list.
How was I attacking anyone? Are these not facts? > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 16:41:45 Devin Wolfe wrote: > > > I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full maturity. > > > > Guess > > > > > that will be a topic for another week. > > > > You signed a sublease without having the legal authority to do so. > > > > You sidestepped all calls for discussion about this sublease. > > > > You wanted the board to immediately approve a drug policy without > > community > > feedback or discussion. > > > > You called for an "emergency" board meeting behind everyone's back and had > > to > > be told by Omar that it isn't permitted in the bylaws. > > > > You rushed out to tell people that we're voting on a proposal that is only > > four days old. > > > > Do you even know how SYNHAK works? > > > > *Do you not see why I find you unfit for the position of Champion?* > > > > > D. > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, "Ken Burns" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about > > > > the > > > > > > formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the > > > > disputes > > > > going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the formation of > > > > the > > > > > > group via the mailing list today. However I was notified today by > > > > some > > > > > > of > > > > those directly involved in the disputes that they would prefer to > > > > immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the > > > > proposals > > > > > > that were previously submitted to the discuss list. These existing > > > > proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to Something New > > > > Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member and officer > > > > from > > > > their positions for breach of trust. > > > > > > > > Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote > > > > immediately, > > > > > > the need for the formation of a temporary Community Working Group to > > > > discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, therefore I will not be > > > > making the proposal to create this group. > > > > > > > > All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate > > > > about > > > > SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking with > > > > everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about what is > > > > best > > > > for us. Please, let's try to find some common ground and starting > > > > working > > > > > > again together to build up the space into something great. Let's get > > > > back > > > > > > to being excellent to each other again. > > > > > > > > I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain > > > > impartial on these matters for now. > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Ken Burns > > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace > > > > > > > > With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that > > > > we > > > > take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out > > > > a > > > > > > bit. > > > > > > > > There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board > > > > members. I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions > > > > or > > > > > > discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have been > > > > flying around tonight. Doing so at this point will likely lead to > > > > more > > > > argument and further tear the community apart. > > > > > > > > I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the > > > > weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to > > > > look > > > > into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously failed > > > > on > > > > > > several topics. I plan on coming to the board meeting for a short bit > > > > tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this proposal for > > > > an > > > > > > official submission to the full membership at tomorrow meeting and on > > > > the > > > > > > discuss list. > > > > > > > > If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to help resolve > > > > these > > > > > > disputes, can was also agree as a membership to chill out for the time > > > > being on the following topics: > > > > > > > > - Lease of racks to a Something New Entertainment > > > > - Votes to remove of any board member or officer from their position > > > > for > > > > > > breach of trust > > > > - Discussions on any policy changes, such as Drug Policy, illegal > > > > activity > > > > > > policies, etc > > > > - Breaking up SYN/HAK into different parts (aka Hackerspace / > > > > Makerspace) > > > > > > I look forward to meeting tonight, and also tomorrow night at the > > > > standard > > > > > > meeting, to discuss the formation of a Community Working Group, and > > > > also > > > > > > to > > > > not discussing the other items at this point, until said group has its > > > > chance to review the issues in an independent way. > > > > > > > > There is a way forward out of this mess, let's just give it a chance > > > > and > > > > > > hold off on the arguments for a while. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Torrie Fischer > > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:43 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace > > > > > > > > On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:30:56 Michael Griesacker wrote: > > > > > oops, that was for everyone > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > From: Michael Griesacker <[email protected]> > > > > > Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Akron Makerspace > > > > > To: Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Synhak is already a healthy part makerspace, although we're > > > > > not trying to push out the hackers. I did read the article, and > > > > > think > > > > > that we have developed into what we are as we evolved from our > > > > > humble > > > > > beginnings. I don't see the need to try to separate the two at this > > > > > stage, and I think that trying to do so denies what we've built so > > > > far > > > > > > > as a community. -but I will try to remain open about that. > > > > > > > > Based on these recent developments regarding the heavy handed attempt > > > > to > > > > > > use the board for dictating how we approach community issues and the > > > > vitriolic responses I get in my inbox every day, I think there is > > > > certainly > > > > a demand for a more regulated and top-down approach to governance > > > > along > > > > traditional business lines. > > > > > > > > Hence, a makerspace. > > > > > > > > I don't think starting a makerspace would break apart the community as > > > > much as it would provide an outlet for some of these managerial and > > > > anti-communal energies. Plus, it'd be a much better platform for the > > > > formal > > > > education initiatives that others want to use SYNHAK for. > > > > > > > > I'd say that this stuff has been developing for the past 7 months or > > > > so. > > > > > > Its time we had a serious conversation about this, likely using the > > > > CWG > > > > framework that Ken proposed. I feel that the decision to step forward > > > > and > > > > > > build a makerspace could spring forth as a compromise between those > > > > who > > > > feel that renting out SYNHAK to startups is an acceptable use of the > > > > space > > > > > > and those who do not. > > > > > > > > If I'm not building SYNHAK or making bank, I'm spending my time > > > > working on > > > > > > OSC and helping rebuild the economic situation in Akron. I'm not > > > > against > > > > > > cheap rent for startups who want to get things moving, but renting out > > > > a > > > > > > hackerspace is way beyond reason. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Hi, members@ and board@. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there interest in starting a real Makerspace here in Akron, or > > > > is > > > > > > > > this effort to re-appropriate SYNHAK into one going to continue? > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to know, so I can figure out when I should give up fighting > > > > > > and start looking to sell my house and skip town. I'm pretty tired > > > > > > of beating my head against this wall of opposition and seeing this > > > > > > community shared goal of a hacker collective dry up before my > > > > > > eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not sure of the difference, please thoroughly read this > > > > > > > > link I posted on friday: > > http://makezine.com/2013/05/22/the-difference-between-hackerspaces-m > > > > > > > > akersp > > > > > > aces-techshops-and-fablabs/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's what Noisebridge is all about, which was the basis for > > > > > > starting > > > > > > SYNHAK: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://noisebridge.net/wiki/Vision > > > > > > > > > > > > I really do want to know if your vision for SYNHAK is incompatible > > > > > > with mine. > > > > > > It certainly feels like the community is intent on taking this > > > > > > idea > > > > > > and transforming it at its very foundations. > > > > > > > > > > > > If y'all want a Makerspace, let me know. It can happen, we don't > > > > > > have to argue about it, and it can coexist with SYNHAK. There is a > > > > > > $3.7 million grant from the state of ohio already coming to Akron > > > > to > > > > > > > > build one in the morley health center, but the people building it > > > > > > have no idea about the makers and hackers in the city. I'd rather > > > > > > the expertise from SYNHAK continues to do awesome things instead > > > > > > of > > > > > > being swiftly extinguished. > > > > > > > > Here's the details about the Makerspace grant: > > http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140223/SUB1/302239986/1072/ > > > > > > > > TOC?Pr > > > > > > ofile=1072&template=printart > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Members mailing list > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Members mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Members mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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