So is yelling at a overweight kid for being fat. Difference between facts and just being unethical. Also we decided to wait till after we get the working comunity going before we discuss this on discuss correct? I recall that was a topic at the board meeting.
------------------------------ On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 5:09 PM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: >On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 17:05:18 Justin Herman wrote: >> Please stop attacking people on the discuss list. > >How was I attacking anyone? > >Are these not facts? > >> >> On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Torrie Fischer ><[email protected]>wrote: >> > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 16:41:45 Devin Wolfe wrote: >> > > I also didn't notice that the proposal had not come to full maturity. >> > >> > Guess >> > >> > > that will be a topic for another week. >> > >> > You signed a sublease without having the legal authority to do so. >> > >> > You sidestepped all calls for discussion about this sublease. >> > >> > You wanted the board to immediately approve a drug policy without >> > community >> > feedback or discussion. >> > >> > You called for an "emergency" board meeting behind everyone's back and had >> > to >> > be told by Omar that it isn't permitted in the bylaws. >> > >> > You rushed out to tell people that we're voting on a proposal that is only >> > four days old. >> > >> > Do you even know how SYNHAK works? >> > >> > *Do you not see why I find you unfit for the position of Champion?* >> > >> > > D. >> > > >> > > On Mar 11, 2014 4:20 PM, "Ken Burns" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about >> > >> > the >> > >> > > > formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the >> > > > disputes >> > > > going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the formation of >> > >> > the >> > >> > > > group via the mailing list today. However I was notified today by >> > >> > some >> > >> > > > of >> > > > those directly involved in the disputes that they would prefer to >> > > > immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the >> > >> > proposals >> > >> > > > that were previously submitted to the discuss list. These existing >> > > > proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to Something New >> > > > Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member and officer >> > > > from >> > > > their positions for breach of trust. >> > > > >> > > > Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote >> > >> > immediately, >> > >> > > > the need for the formation of a temporary Community Working Group to >> > > > discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, therefore I will not be >> > > > making the proposal to create this group. >> > > > >> > > > All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate >> > > > about >> > > > SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking with >> > > > everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about what is >> > > > best >> > > > for us. Please, let's try to find some common ground and starting >> > >> > working >> > >> > > > again together to build up the space into something great. Let's get >> > >> > back >> > >> > > > to being excellent to each other again. >> > > > >> > > > I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain >> > > > impartial on these matters for now. >> > > > >> > > > Ken >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> > >> > On >> > >> > > > Behalf Of Ken Burns >> > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM >> > > > To: [email protected] >> > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace >> > > > >> > > > With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that >> > > > we >> > > > take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out >> > >> > a >> > >> > > > bit. >> > > > >> > > > There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board >> > > > members. I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions >> > >> > or >> > >> > > > discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have been >> > > > flying around tonight. Doing so at this point will likely lead to >> > > > more >> > > > argument and further tear the community apart. >> > > > >> > > > I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the >> > > > weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to >> > > > look >> > > > into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously failed >> > >> > on >> > >> > > > several topics. I plan on coming to the board meeting for a short bit >> > > > tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this proposal for >> > >> > an >> > >> > > > official submission to the full membership at tomorrow meeting and on >> > >> > the >> > >> > > > discuss list. >> > > > >> > > > If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to help resolve >> > >> > these >> > >> > > > disputes, can was also agree as a membership to chill out for the time >> > > > being on the following topics: >> > > > >> > > > - Lease of racks to a Something New Entertainment >> > > > - Votes to remove of any board member or officer from their position >> > >> > for >> > >> > > > breach of trust >> > > > - Discussions on any policy changes, such as Drug Policy, illegal >> > >> > activity >> > >> > > > policies, etc >> > > > - Breaking up SYN/HAK into different parts (aka Hackerspace / >> > >> > Makerspace) >> > >> > > > I look forward to meeting tonight, and also tomorrow night at the >> > >> > standard >> > >> > > > meeting, to discuss the formation of a Community Working Group, and >> > >> > also >> > >> > > > to >> > > > not discussing the other items at this point, until said group has its >> > > > chance to review the issues in an independent way. >> > > > >> > > > There is a way forward out of this mess, let's just give it a chance >> > >> > and >> > >> > > > hold off on the arguments for a while. >> > > > >> > > > Thank you, >> > > > >> > > > Ken >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> > >> > On >> > >> > > > Behalf Of Torrie Fischer >> > > > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:43 PM >> > > > To: [email protected] >> > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace >> > > > >> > > > On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:30:56 Michael Griesacker wrote: >> > > > > oops, that was for everyone >> > > > > >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > > > > From: Michael Griesacker <[email protected]> >> > > > > Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM >> > > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Akron Makerspace >> > > > > To: Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > I think Synhak is already a healthy part makerspace, although we're >> > > > > not trying to push out the hackers. I did read the article, and >> > > > > think >> > > > > that we have developed into what we are as we evolved from our >> > > > > humble >> > > > > beginnings. I don't see the need to try to separate the two at this >> > > > > stage, and I think that trying to do so denies what we've built so >> > >> > far >> > >> > > > > as a community. -but I will try to remain open about that. >> > > > >> > > > Based on these recent developments regarding the heavy handed attempt >> > >> > to >> > >> > > > use the board for dictating how we approach community issues and the >> > > > vitriolic responses I get in my inbox every day, I think there is >> > > > certainly >> > > > a demand for a more regulated and top-down approach to governance >> > > > along >> > > > traditional business lines. >> > > > >> > > > Hence, a makerspace. >> > > > >> > > > I don't think starting a makerspace would break apart the community as >> > > > much as it would provide an outlet for some of these managerial and >> > > > anti-communal energies. Plus, it'd be a much better platform for the >> > > > formal >> > > > education initiatives that others want to use SYNHAK for. >> > > > >> > > > I'd say that this stuff has been developing for the past 7 months or >> > >> > so. >> > >> > > > Its time we had a serious conversation about this, likely using the >> > > > CWG >> > > > framework that Ken proposed. I feel that the decision to step forward >> > >> > and >> > >> > > > build a makerspace could spring forth as a compromise between those >> > > > who >> > > > feel that renting out SYNHAK to startups is an acceptable use of the >> > >> > space >> > >> > > > and those who do not. >> > > > >> > > > If I'm not building SYNHAK or making bank, I'm spending my time >> > >> > working on >> > >> > > > OSC and helping rebuild the economic situation in Akron. I'm not >> > >> > against >> > >> > > > cheap rent for startups who want to get things moving, but renting out >> > >> > a >> > >> > > > hackerspace is way beyond reason. >> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Torrie Fischer >> > > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > > > > > Hi, members@ and board@. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Is there interest in starting a real Makerspace here in Akron, or >> > >> > is >> > >> > > > > > this effort to re-appropriate SYNHAK into one going to continue? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I need to know, so I can figure out when I should give up fighting >> > > > > > and start looking to sell my house and skip town. I'm pretty tired >> > > > > > of beating my head against this wall of opposition and seeing this >> > > > > > community shared goal of a hacker collective dry up before my >> > > > > > eyes. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > If you're not sure of the difference, please thoroughly read this >> > >> > > > > > link I posted on friday: >> > http://makezine.com/2013/05/22/the-difference-between-hackerspaces-m >> > >> > > > > > akersp >> > > > > > aces-techshops-and-fablabs/ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Here's what Noisebridge is all about, which was the basis for >> > > > > > starting >> > > > > > SYNHAK: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > http://noisebridge.net/wiki/Vision >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I really do want to know if your vision for SYNHAK is incompatible >> > > > > > with mine. >> > > > > > It certainly feels like the community is intent on taking this >> > > > > > idea >> > > > > > and transforming it at its very foundations. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > If y'all want a Makerspace, let me know. It can happen, we don't >> > > > > > have to argue about it, and it can coexist with SYNHAK. There is a >> > > > > > $3.7 million grant from the state of ohio already coming to Akron >> > >> > to >> > >> > > > > > build one in the morley health center, but the people building it >> > > > > > have no idea about the makers and hackers in the city. I'd rather >> > > > > > the expertise from SYNHAK continues to do awesome things instead >> > > > > > of >> > > > > > being swiftly extinguished. >> > >> > > > > > Here's the details about the Makerspace grant: >> > http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140223/SUB1/302239986/1072/ >> > >> > > > > > TOC?Pr >> > > > > > ofile=1072&template=printart >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > Members mailing list >> > > > > > [email protected] >> > > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Members mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Members mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > Discuss mailing list >> > > > [email protected] >> > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
