On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 20:37:22 Ken Burns wrote:
> They want to call for a vote on the two proposals that Torrie proposed on
> March 7th.  Given that the 7 days period hasn't passed, I do not believe a
> vote could happen on this tonight.

You are correct.

I did propose them, but I will refuse to let them pass until protocol is 
followed.

> 
> 2014-3-7  Torrie Fischer   A membership vote to remove Justin from the Board
> of SYNHAK for breech of trust. A membership vote to request that the board
> removes Devin from the office of Champion for breech of trust.
> 
> 2014-3-7  Torrie Fischer   Something New Entertainment, LLC is given a 14
> day notice to vacate the premises. The racks shall be dismantled and
> removed after the 14 day notice. If there is opposition from Something New
> Entertainment, LLC, eviction procedures as prescribed by the State of Ohio
> will be enacted by the Champions.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Torrie Fischer Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:30 PM
> To: SYN/HAK discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYN/HAK Disputes
> 
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 20:20:51 Ken Burns wrote:
> > We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about
> > the formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the
> > disputes going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the
> > formation of the group via the mailing list today.   However I was
> > notified today by some of those directly involved in the disputes that
> > they would prefer to
> > immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the
> > proposals that were previously submitted to the discuss list.  These
> > existing proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to
> > Something New Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member
> > and officer from their positions for breach of trust.
> 
> Wait, what? Calling for a vote on something without actually calling for it
> on discuss@?
> 
> I'm wholly confused on whats happening here. Has SYNHAK lost its collective
> mind?
> 
> Does transparency and openness even matter here anymore?
> 
> What the heck are we supposed to be voting on?
> 
> > Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote
> > immediately, the need for the formation of a temporary Community
> > Working Group to discuss and resolve these issues is pointless,
> > therefore I will not be making the proposal to create this group.
> > 
> > All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate
> > about SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking
> > with everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about
> > what is best for us.  Please, let's try to find some common ground and
> > starting working again together to build up the space into something
> > great.  Let's get back to being excellent to each other again.
> > 
> > I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain
> > impartial on these matters for now.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > On Behalf Of Ken Burns Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace
> > 
> > With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that
> > we take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out
> > a bit.
> > 
> > There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board
> > members.  I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions
> > or discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have
> > been flying around tonight.  Doing so at this point will likely lead
> > to more argument and further tear the community apart.
> > 
> > I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the
> > weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to
> > look into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously
> > failed on several topics.  I plan on coming to the board meeting for a
> > short bit tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this
> > proposal for an official submission to the full membership at tomorrow
> > meeting and on the discuss list.
> > 
> > If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to help resolve
> > these disputes, can was also agree as a membership to chill out for
> > the time being on the following topics:
> > 
> > - Lease of racks to a Something New Entertainment
> > - Votes to remove of any board member or officer from their position
> > for breach of trust - Discussions on any policy changes, such as Drug
> > Policy, illegal activity policies, etc - Breaking up SYN/HAK into
> > different parts (aka Hackerspace / Makerspace)
> > 
> > I look forward to meeting tonight, and also tomorrow night at the
> > standard meeting, to discuss the formation of a Community Working
> > Group, and also to not discussing the other items at this point, until
> > said group has its chance to review the issues in an independent way.
> > 
> > There is a way forward out of this mess, let's just give it a chance
> > and hold off on the arguments for a while.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
> > On Behalf Of Torrie Fischer Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:43 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace
> > 
> > On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:30:56 Michael Griesacker wrote:
> > > oops, that was for everyone
> > > 
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Michael Griesacker <[email protected]>
> > > Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Akron Makerspace
> > > To: Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I think Synhak is already a healthy part makerspace, although we're
> > > not trying to push out the hackers. I did read the article, and
> > > think that we have developed into what we are as we evolved from our
> > > humble beginnings. I don't see the need to try to separate the two
> > > at this stage, and I think that trying to do so denies what we've
> > > built so far as a community.  -but I will try to remain open about that.
> > 
> > Based on these recent developments regarding the heavy handed attempt
> > to use the board for dictating how we approach community issues and
> > the vitriolic responses I get in my inbox every day, I think there is
> > certainly a demand for a more regulated and top-down approach to
> > governance along traditional business lines.
> > 
> > Hence, a makerspace.
> > 
> > I don't think starting a makerspace would break apart the community as
> > much as it would provide an outlet for some of these managerial and
> > anti-communal energies. Plus, it'd be a much better platform for the
> > formal education initiatives that others want to use SYNHAK for.
> > 
> > I'd say that this stuff has been developing for the past 7 months or
> > so. Its time we had a serious conversation about this, likely using
> > the CWG framework that Ken proposed. I feel that the decision to step
> > forward and build a makerspace could spring forth as a compromise
> > between those who feel that renting out SYNHAK to startups is an
> > acceptable use of the space and those who do not.
> > 
> > If I'm not building SYNHAK or making bank, I'm spending my time
> > working on OSC and helping rebuild the economic situation in Akron.
> > I'm not against cheap rent for startups who want to get things moving,
> > but renting out a hackerspace is way beyond reason.
> > 
> > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Torrie Fischer
> > > 
> > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > Hi, members@ and board@.
> > > > 
> > > > Is there interest in starting a real Makerspace here in Akron, or
> > > > is this effort to re-appropriate SYNHAK into one going to continue?
> > > > 
> > > > I need to know, so I can figure out when I should give up fighting
> > > > and start looking to sell my house and skip town. I'm pretty tired
> > > > of beating my head against this wall of opposition and seeing this
> > > > community shared goal of a hacker collective dry up before my eyes.
> > > > 
> > > > If you're not sure of the difference, please thoroughly read this
> > > > link I posted on friday:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://makezine.com/2013/05/22/the-difference-between-hackerspaces
> > > > -m
> > > > akersp
> > > > aces-techshops-and-fablabs/
> > > > 
> > > > Here's what Noisebridge is all about, which was the basis for
> > > > starting
> > > > SYNHAK:
> > > > 
> > > > http://noisebridge.net/wiki/Vision
> > > > 
> > > > I really do want to know if your vision for SYNHAK is incompatible
> > > > with mine.
> > > > It certainly feels like the community is intent on taking this
> > > > idea and transforming it at its very foundations.
> > > > 
> > > > If y'all want a Makerspace, let me know. It can happen, we don't
> > > > have to argue about it, and it can coexist with SYNHAK. There is a
> > > > $3.7 million grant from the state of ohio already coming to Akron
> > > > to build one in the morley health center, but the people building
> > > > it have no idea about the makers and hackers in the city. I'd
> > > > rather the expertise from SYNHAK continues to do awesome things
> > > > instead of being swiftly extinguished.
> > > > 
> > > > Here's the details about the Makerspace grant:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140223/SUB1/302239986/107
> > > > 2/
> > > > TOC?Pr
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