On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 20:37:22 Ken Burns wrote: > They want to call for a vote on the two proposals that Torrie proposed on > March 7th. Given that the 7 days period hasn't passed, I do not believe a > vote could happen on this tonight.
You are correct. I did propose them, but I will refuse to let them pass until protocol is followed. > > 2014-3-7 Torrie Fischer A membership vote to remove Justin from the Board > of SYNHAK for breech of trust. A membership vote to request that the board > removes Devin from the office of Champion for breech of trust. > > 2014-3-7 Torrie Fischer Something New Entertainment, LLC is given a 14 > day notice to vacate the premises. The racks shall be dismantled and > removed after the 14 day notice. If there is opposition from Something New > Entertainment, LLC, eviction procedures as prescribed by the State of Ohio > will be enacted by the Champions. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Torrie Fischer Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:30 PM > To: SYN/HAK discussion list > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYN/HAK Disputes > > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 20:20:51 Ken Burns wrote: > > We had some good discussions last night during the board meeting about > > the formation of a Community Working Group to help resolve some of the > > disputes going on in the space, and I was planning to propose the > > formation of the group via the mailing list today. However I was > > notified today by some of those directly involved in the disputes that > > they would prefer to > > immediately bring the topics to a membership vote, based on the > > proposals that were previously submitted to the discuss list. These > > existing proposals deal with the validity of the sub-lease to > > Something New Entertainment, and the voting to remove a board member > > and officer from their positions for breach of trust. > > Wait, what? Calling for a vote on something without actually calling for it > on discuss@? > > I'm wholly confused on whats happening here. Has SYNHAK lost its collective > mind? > > Does transparency and openness even matter here anymore? > > What the heck are we supposed to be voting on? > > > Given that these items will be coming to a direct member vote > > immediately, the need for the formation of a temporary Community > > Working Group to discuss and resolve these issues is pointless, > > therefore I will not be making the proposal to create this group. > > > > All of the members involved in these disputes are very passionate > > about SYN/HAK and essential to our long term success - and in talking > > with everyone we're really not that far apart in our thinking about > > what is best for us. Please, let's try to find some common ground and > > starting working again together to build up the space into something > > great. Let's get back to being excellent to each other again. > > > > I will not be attending the meeting tonight, as I'd prefer to remain > > impartial on these matters for now. > > > > Ken > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Ken Burns Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 3:26 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace > > > > With all the heated discussions currently going on, I recommend that > > we take a pause to get some things figured out and to hopefully chill out > > a bit. > > > > There is a board meeting tonight, the first of the newly elected board > > members. I'd recommend to the board to not make any policy decisions > > or discuss in length a number of the topics or accusations that have > > been flying around tonight. Doing so at this point will likely lead > > to more argument and further tear the community apart. > > > > I made a draft proposal to create a Community Working Group over the > > weekend, which ideally would be an independent group of members to > > look into the current set of disputes, since consensus has obviously > > failed on several topics. I plan on coming to the board meeting for a > > short bit tonight, and I would like to finalize the wording of this > > proposal for an official submission to the full membership at tomorrow > > meeting and on the discuss list. > > > > If we can come to an agreement to allow this group to help resolve > > these disputes, can was also agree as a membership to chill out for > > the time being on the following topics: > > > > - Lease of racks to a Something New Entertainment > > - Votes to remove of any board member or officer from their position > > for breach of trust - Discussions on any policy changes, such as Drug > > Policy, illegal activity policies, etc - Breaking up SYN/HAK into > > different parts (aka Hackerspace / Makerspace) > > > > I look forward to meeting tonight, and also tomorrow night at the > > standard meeting, to discuss the formation of a Community Working > > Group, and also to not discussing the other items at this point, until > > said group has its chance to review the issues in an independent way. > > > > There is a way forward out of this mess, let's just give it a chance > > and hold off on the arguments for a while. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ken > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Torrie Fischer Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Fwd: Akron Makerspace > > > > On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:30:56 Michael Griesacker wrote: > > > oops, that was for everyone > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: Michael Griesacker <[email protected]> > > > Date: Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SH-Members] Akron Makerspace > > > To: Torrie Fischer <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > I think Synhak is already a healthy part makerspace, although we're > > > not trying to push out the hackers. I did read the article, and > > > think that we have developed into what we are as we evolved from our > > > humble beginnings. I don't see the need to try to separate the two > > > at this stage, and I think that trying to do so denies what we've > > > built so far as a community. -but I will try to remain open about that. > > > > Based on these recent developments regarding the heavy handed attempt > > to use the board for dictating how we approach community issues and > > the vitriolic responses I get in my inbox every day, I think there is > > certainly a demand for a more regulated and top-down approach to > > governance along traditional business lines. > > > > Hence, a makerspace. > > > > I don't think starting a makerspace would break apart the community as > > much as it would provide an outlet for some of these managerial and > > anti-communal energies. Plus, it'd be a much better platform for the > > formal education initiatives that others want to use SYNHAK for. > > > > I'd say that this stuff has been developing for the past 7 months or > > so. Its time we had a serious conversation about this, likely using > > the CWG framework that Ken proposed. I feel that the decision to step > > forward and build a makerspace could spring forth as a compromise > > between those who feel that renting out SYNHAK to startups is an > > acceptable use of the space and those who do not. > > > > If I'm not building SYNHAK or making bank, I'm spending my time > > working on OSC and helping rebuild the economic situation in Akron. > > I'm not against cheap rent for startups who want to get things moving, > > but renting out a hackerspace is way beyond reason. > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Hi, members@ and board@. > > > > > > > > Is there interest in starting a real Makerspace here in Akron, or > > > > is this effort to re-appropriate SYNHAK into one going to continue? > > > > > > > > I need to know, so I can figure out when I should give up fighting > > > > and start looking to sell my house and skip town. I'm pretty tired > > > > of beating my head against this wall of opposition and seeing this > > > > community shared goal of a hacker collective dry up before my eyes. > > > > > > > > If you're not sure of the difference, please thoroughly read this > > > > link I posted on friday: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://makezine.com/2013/05/22/the-difference-between-hackerspaces > > > > -m > > > > akersp > > > > aces-techshops-and-fablabs/ > > > > > > > > Here's what Noisebridge is all about, which was the basis for > > > > starting > > > > SYNHAK: > > > > > > > > http://noisebridge.net/wiki/Vision > > > > > > > > I really do want to know if your vision for SYNHAK is incompatible > > > > with mine. > > > > It certainly feels like the community is intent on taking this > > > > idea and transforming it at its very foundations. > > > > > > > > If y'all want a Makerspace, let me know. It can happen, we don't > > > > have to argue about it, and it can coexist with SYNHAK. There is a > > > > $3.7 million grant from the state of ohio already coming to Akron > > > > to build one in the morley health center, but the people building > > > > it have no idea about the makers and hackers in the city. I'd > > > > rather the expertise from SYNHAK continues to do awesome things > > > > instead of being swiftly extinguished. > > > > > > > > Here's the details about the Makerspace grant: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20140223/SUB1/302239986/107 > > > > 2/ > > > > TOC?Pr > > > > ofile=1072&template=printart > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Members mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Members mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > > _______________________________________________ > > Members mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/members > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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