On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Jesper Knudsen <[email protected]>wrote:
> Again, if someone with DNS access would redirect smolt.contribs.org to
> smolt.swerts-knudsen.dk (using a CNAME), then I would start gathering
> data and give us all an overview of the amount of installations out there.
>
Why not just help get the smolt server on contribs.org working?
> ****
>
> Smolt should also give us an overview of the various version users are
> running.
>
We can already get this. Here are the number of systems running the
various versions:
215 8.0beta5
261 7.1
263 7.0
440 7.2
480 7.5
1123 7.6
1174 7.3
1202 8.0beta6
2156 8.0beta7
3948 7.4
7695 8.0
14372 7.5.1
> Does that not make sense?
>
I don't see what stats have to do with getting a new version out there.
Maybe it's just me, but why are we trying to take another step upwards and
> spending all the energy in migrating to CentOS 6 with very little benefits
> to the users? What is it in the CentOS 6 base that is critically lacking in
> the CentOS5 (which is not planned for discontinuation)? I my humble opinion
> SME 8x has an OK MySQL and PHP level that allows for many 3rd party
> packages and the added HW that CentOS 6 supports is, in my opinion, not
> critical for the SME users generally running on rather old HW.
>
There is a lot of new hardware coming out (ivy bridge) that isn't supported
on el5 series. 5.x does have okay apps but there are some packages out
there that will only run on latest 6.x release.
> Why are we not spending the resources on integrating the most commonly
> used contribs and improving the current platform - giving real benefit to
> the user?
>
Where do you see improvement needed? Contribs are easy to add and if there
is any functionality that needs changing then you should raise a bug.
> Firstly I think that we need to understand whether the distribution is
> actually dead already (I think not but..) and I therefore suggest we revive
> smolt for that purpose alone. The pure number of active server out there
> might motive all to move forward.
>
If you have any information on getting smolt running please pass it along.
There is no need to move smolt to a new outside location. We just need
help getting it to run reliably.
> In theory I would enhance the smolt report with more relevant data to
> figure out more about the use of SME out there. Actually I would suggest we
> make a special SME Smolt that also collects information (100% anonymous)
> about:
>
Smolt is in CVS. If you have enhancements or fixes for it please post a
bug and attach patches.
> - Amount of users
>
> - Amount of Domains****
>
> - installed contribs****
>
> - properly more...
>
I don't really see what use these numbers would be. They would be
interesting but I don't see us making any changes to the system based on
them.
> ****
>
> We might need to build a web service for this, but that is quite easy. I
> did that a while back (SME 6x) collected data on that spam statistics
> packages. I would be happy to build this if its gets released generally.
>
Once the data from smolt is in the database then it would be easy to write
any number of reports against it.
With this at hand we can motivate developers to continue their efforts and
> target our development towards the right needs.
>
"right needs" are subjective. Right now the effort that the
community/developers want is to get things based on el6. It is moving
along very nicely and everyone is working together very well.
> Additionally I would suggest that we think of means for the serious
> contributors to monetize on their SME work (and motivate them to keep the
> base bugfree)- maybe some kind of SME AppStore where a cut of each
> transaction goes back to contribs.org?
>
That is no small undertaking. In order to do something like this you would
need to develop quite a bit more infrastructure to host and manage the
apps, keep track of who has paid for what, accounting, taxes, etc. Not
saying it can't be done. But, I think that the effort to do something like
this would be much more that the effort required to move to an el6 base.
-Shad
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