Hi Aymeric,

You bring up a lot of good points. There will undoubtedly be challenges and 
huge amount of work in moving to a new system, or implementing any big 
sweeping changes, however, I truly honestly believe that it would be worth 
it in the long run, and the payoff would far outweigh the cost.

As far as Microsoft owning github, etc I think it is almost moot. Any 
process will have some amount of vendor lock in, whether github, atlassian 
(jira & bitbucket parent company), or even gitlab. I think what is 
important is to pick one system as a community that we are happy with. Any 
one of those three could do what is ultimately needed, which is a 
centralized and consistent development platform.

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 12:33:59 AM UTC-7, Aymeric Augustin wrote:
> Hello John,
> This was discussed before, when we moved from self-hosted svn to 
> GitHub-hosted git, but I'm not sure there are public archives of all 
> discussions.
> As far as I remember, the main points to tackle are:
> 1. Does GitHub allow "anonymous triage" i.e. labelling, closing, and 
> reopening issues by non-committers? I think there was a recent announcement 
> in this area. I didn't check the details. Previously, bot-powered 
> workarounds were suggested, but they wouldn't provide a good user 
> experience. You want discoverable buttons, not a cheat sheet of magic 
> comments.
> 2. Does the GitHub UI scale to thousands of issues? In theory, any 
> classification system can be reproduced with namespaced labels e.g. 
> "component:ORM", "status:ready-for-checkin", etc. In practice, it's 
> unlikely to be as convenient as what currently exists on Trac.
> Perhaps it's just me, but I always found GitHub issues hard to use when I 
> had more than on page of issues. Indeed, at that point, I need a labelling 
> system to filter issues. Then I need to keep all the rules of that system 
> in my head instead of having the UI guide me — and prevent me from 
> infringing the system...
> 3. How do we migrate issues history from Trac to GitHub? Preserving 
> comment authorship doesn't seem obvious, especially for authors who don't 
> have the same username on Trac and GitHub or authors who don't have a 
> GitHub account.
> Initially an effort was made to sync usernames of core devs between Trac 
> and GitHub to prevent security problems but that's a small subset of 
> contributors.
> 4. Are we still able to export everything from GitHub and move on to the 
> next thing? Perhaps there's an obvious answer. I didn't look. Usually 
> Django takes a pragmatic position: we won't reject GitHub outright because 
> it isn't open source. However, we wouldn't want to lock ourselves into a 
> platform we don't control.
> Who would have bet, three years ago, that GitHub would be the property of 
> Microsoft today? What if Microsoft sells it to Oracle in three years? It's 
> nice to keep our options open :-)
> We put the code there because we were confident that we could pull the git 
> history. Then everyone started using pull requests, which was likely a good 
> thing, but wasn't really planned or thought through, and I don't think we 
> can export PR comments meaningfully. GitHub did some good vendor lock in 
> there.
> 5. How do we preserve links to SVN commits? Currently, they're redirected 
> on https://code.djangoproject.com/ with this nginx rule:
>     rewrite ^/changeset/(\d+)/?$ 
> https://www.djangoproject.com/svntogit/$1/ permanent;
> and then redirected again by this application:
>     https://github.com/django/djangoproject.com/tree/master/svntogit
> It would be nice to preserve these links in issues copied from Trac to 
> GitHub, which probably means pre-processing comments to rewrite links.
> There may be more, but that's what comes to mind!
> A process DEP 
> <https://github.com/django/deps/blob/master/final/0001-dep-process.rst#dep-types>
>  is 
> the way to go to propose this change.
> Best regards,
> -- 
> Aymeric.
> On 7 Aug 2019, at 08:24, John Gooding <ja.g...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
> I'd like to propose moving Django issues to github and make a real 
> decision on it here in this thread. If there has been a recent discussion 
> on this I apologize, but searching for issue tracking / github links to 
> about every thread ever posted here.
> I believe this would lower the barrier to entry and to help promote 
> community involvement. People are already there, people already use it, and 
> we already do pull requests there. Now I could be wrong here, but I also 
> feel that it would improve and promote discussion about changes and feature 
> additions to Django, because right now they are pretty hidden away in the 
> current system. 
> I'd also like to see the inclusion of a "discussion" label or similar for 
> issues. I think many of the conversations here on this forum would be much 
> better off as github issues. I see a lot of great stuff, and it's not clear 
> at all what the status is, has it moved forward, been officially denied? 
> etc. If they are github issues they will have definitive resolutions, 
> whatever it may be, and links to relevant code, PR's etc if needed.
> I think there is a huge amount to gain by consolidating the ticket system 
> and many of the discussions on this forum into github's issue tracker. I 
> don't see any reason why it wouldn't be wroth the effort, and we only have 
> much to gain as a community from it. But that's just my 2 cents. I'd love 
> to hear what others think, for or against it.
> John
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