On 3/29/13 5:47 PM, "John Levine" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>5) Set p=reject without taking this advice into account and then be
>>shocked and horrified that mail
>>you wanted to deliver is rejected.
>
>It's worse than that.  If you set p=reject and send mail to lists, you
>will hurt innocent bystanders.
>
>If recipients implement DMARC in good faith and do what it says, and
>your mail starts arriving from lists, the recipients will reject that
>mail, which the lists will see as delivery failures.  With enough
>delivery failures, those recipients will be bounced off the list due
>to your malfeasance.
>
>This exact thing happened on some IETF lists when DKIM was young and
>some MTA operator overimplemented ADSP and treated "discard" as
>reject.
>
>The right thing to do is not to send mail to lists from domains that
>have a policy other than p=none.  I agree with your outline of the
>reasonable options.

Are you telling us that mailing lists do not make the difference between a
hard bounce or a soft bounce? This seems like a bug to me.

Now, more factual, I read this doc
(http://www.esosoft.com/support/mailinglist/mailman/bounce.html) a few
weeks ago, and mailman seems to consider as a hard bounce, any bounce it
does not recognize, this seems to me poor design.


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