On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:41 PM, John Levine <[email protected]> wrote: > > >I don't personally think we're all in trouble. I think if Yahoo sticks by > >this, I think mailing list managers can choose to roll with it by modifying > >what they put into the from address when distributing posts, or they can > >try to convince subscribers to move away from Yahoo. > > So you're saying every mailing list in the world has to change, just > because Yahoo made an ill-advised decision?
I don't think I stated that you or anybody else has to change anything at all. With respect, I must decline to engage on that straw man argument. > As soon as Yahoo sends me the check to pay for rewriting majordomo2, > you may be sure I'll get right on it. In the meantime, I'm warning > all my Yahoo subscribers that they can no longer post, and *must* get > new accounts elsewhere. I wish you the good luck and I hope that you find the responses that you're looking for. I know you plan to frame it to your subscribers as "Yahoo has forced me to do this." I suspect, from my past experience that I related earlier, that some will hear it as "John Levine is forcing me to do this." I would caution you that this can backfire. I think it might be a bad idea for me to tell a segment of my subscribers that they have to immediately switch mailbox providers or else their list access and participation will remain restricted. I think it reasonable for me to consider what I could do on my end to address the issue, regardless of who caused it. Especially if it is due to a technical policy change so arcane that perhaps not everyone even involved in the argument or policy change actually understands what is going on. I mean, I guess I could tell my mom that she has to give up Yahoo account, even though that's the address all of her friends have, and that's where her email history is, and the only way she knows how to email people is go into Yahoo mail and search for the last email they sent and reply to it. Then I guess I could write a script to help her transfer all that mail over to Gmail. Then I guess I could help her set up an autoresponder to tell people who send to Yahoo that they really should send to her at Gmail. Or maybe Gmail has a thing where it can proactively pull mail from the Yahoo account. Then I can train her on what's different between Yahoo and Gmail. And then what if Gmail implements p=reject as well? Then Hotmail? Do I keep moving her, trying to keep ahead of the storm? Is that the best way for me to proceed? I'm weighing the benefit of this versus updating my MLM software to work more like, say, Yahoo Groups has worked for years. If I make this change, then I don't care who implements p=reject, poorly considered or not. I wonder what the downside of doing so is, beyond the pure, unadulterated anger from people who....don't like it and won't do it. Regards, Al Iverson -- Al Iverson | Chicago, IL | (312) 725-0130 Twitter: @aliverson / www.spamresource.com _______________________________________________ dmarc-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
