On April 8, 2014 6:50:29 PM EDT, Dave Crocker <[email protected]> wrote: >On 4/8/2014 11:58 AM, Murray Kucherawy wrote: >> On 4/8/14 7:23 AM, "Dave Crocker" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On the other hand, this has the classic problem of requiring mailing >>> lists to change. That is, this approach does not help anyone >currently >>> and won't help much for a very long time, if ever. >>> >> >> That's true. I'm having some trouble with the notion that MLMs need >to be >> immune from change because they somehow have that status. >> >> You're right that this is a paradigm change. Just to clarify, are >you >> saying those should be off the table outright, or merely that the >> community really really needs to understand the implications? > > >More the latter than anything else. What's been demonstrated is that >the current approach is traumatic. I like drama, but not trauma. > >The reticence of the broader mailing list community to participate in >coordinated, incremental standards efforts does not encourage one to >try >to reduce the trauma, but the damage done to end users should. > >Given that we've known about the mailing list issue for DMARC, SPF and >DKIM for a very long time, I think it unlikely that anyone is suddenly >going to come up with a perfect and painless "solution". > >However we haven't tried very hard to develop a carefully orchestrated >approach that considers tradeoffs and minimizes end user pain.
Okay. I'll bite. For what I think of as a normal mailing list that uses its own mail from and does DKIM signature breaking things like modifying the subject line or adding a footer to the message with unsubscribe or list archive information, what's the canonical solution to interoperating in a DMARC with p=reject enabled world and where is it documented? Scott K _______________________________________________ dmarc-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
