On 04/08/2014 07:16 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 08, 2014 16:45:52 Matt Simerson wrote:
>>
>> That's one perspective. Another is:
>>
>>      cd path/to/ezmlm/list; rm prefix  text/trailer addtrailer
>>
>> and go on with being a mailing list.
> Right.  So then we train people that the "right" way to figure out to 
> unsubscribe or locate the list archive is to look in the message headers for 
> the correct header field (unsigned by the domain in From, BTW) and then 
> copy/paste whatever's there into their browser.
>
> Works for me just fine.  Actual non-technical users, not so much.

For the "actual non-technical users" you're describing, they're already
hitting the "report as spam" (or an "unsubscribe" button helpfully
provided in the past few years) - which has cut down on the "Hey, stop
sending me email" messages to the entire list that Matt mentioned. Which
took non-zero effort to change MUAs and webmail services and back-ends,
let's not forget.

Maybe that's unfair - after all, much of how those buttons work is
because MLM operators changed their software to include additional
information in special headers. Huh. Seems like an interesting example
of how MLM operators *can* change their software in response to broad
changes in the ecosystem...

--S.
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