On April 8, 2014 7:28:53 PM EDT, Matt Simerson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>On Apr 8, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> On April 8, 2014 6:50:29 PM EDT, Dave Crocker <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>> On 4/8/2014 11:58 AM, Murray Kucherawy wrote:
>>>> On 4/8/14 7:23 AM, "Dave Crocker" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On the other hand, this has the classic problem of requiring
>mailing
>>>>> lists to change.  That is, this approach does not help anyone
>currently
>>>>> and won't help much for a very long time, if ever.
>>>> You're right that this is a paradigm change.  Just to clarify, are
>you
>>>> saying those should be off the table outright, or merely that the
>>>> community really really needs to understand the implications?
>>> 
>>> The reticence of the broader mailing list community to participate
>in 
>>> coordinated, incremental standards efforts does not encourage one to
>>> try to reduce the trauma, but the damage done to end users should.
>> 
>> Okay. I'll bite. 
>> 
>> For what I think of as a normal mailing list that uses its own mail
>from and does DKIM signature breaking things like modifying the subject
>line or adding a footer to the message with unsubscribe or list archive
>information, what's the canonical solution to interoperating in a DMARC
> with p=reject enabled world and where is it documented?
>
>http://dmarc.org/faq.html#s_3
>
>And I quote:
>
>I operate a mailing list and I want to interoperate with DMARC, what
>should I do?
>       DMARC introduces the concept of aligned identifiers. It means the
>domain in the from header must match the d= in the DKIM signature and
>the domain in the mail from envelope.
>You have a few solutions:
>
>       • operate as a strict forwarder, where the message is not changed and
>the validity of the DKIM signature is preserved
>       • introduce an "Original Authentication Results" header to indicate
>you have performed the authentication and you are validating it
>       • take ownership of the email, by removing the DKIM signature and
>putting your own as well as changing the from header in the email to
>contain an email address within your mailing list domain.

In other words: don't be a mailing list. 

Scott K

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