On April 8, 2014 11:11:55 PM EDT, Steven M Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 04/08/2014 07:16 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 08, 2014 16:45:52 Matt Simerson wrote:
>>>
>>> That's one perspective. Another is:
>>>
>>>     cd path/to/ezmlm/list; rm prefix  text/trailer addtrailer
>>>
>>> and go on with being a mailing list.
>> Right.  So then we train people that the "right" way to figure out to
>
>> unsubscribe or locate the list archive is to look in the message
>headers for 
>> the correct header field (unsigned by the domain in From, BTW) and
>then 
>> copy/paste whatever's there into their browser.
>>
>> Works for me just fine.  Actual non-technical users, not so much.
>
>For the "actual non-technical users" you're describing, they're already
>hitting the "report as spam" (or an "unsubscribe" button helpfully
>provided in the past few years) - which has cut down on the "Hey, stop
>sending me email" messages to the entire list that Matt mentioned.
>Which
>took non-zero effort to change MUAs and webmail services and back-ends,
>let's not forget.
>
>Maybe that's unfair - after all, much of how those buttons work is
>because MLM operators changed their software to include additional
>information in special headers. Huh. Seems like an interesting example
>of how MLM operators *can* change their software in response to broad
>changes in the ecosystem...

Adding new header fields doesn't change the way lists work. It's fundamentally 
different than what we are discussing here. 

Scott K
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