-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 12-04-14 12:49, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Sat, 2014-04-12 at 12:30 +0200, Tom Hendrikx wrote: >> >> There are still a lot of users, on both technical and >> non-technical lists, that use reply-to-all because the reply >> button sends a message to the author in stead of the list. There >> might be many reasons for them to do that (they're stupid, >> ignorant, don't know their MUA, use a MUA that doesn't provide a >> reply-to-list button, or something else I couldn't come up with >> within 10 seconds), but it's still common practise, and it has >> been annoying more experienced users. > > Reply-to-list is a different issue, discussed in detail at > http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html with some "sample users" > and pros and cons. > > It's probably even more off-topic for this particular list :)
After reading your article, I see that may have misunderstood your mention of 'a "Group Reply" button which will go back to the list' as a description of reply-to-list, while you actually meant reply-to-all. > >> Also, I can see good reasoning in the simple concept: when I >> received an e-mail from a private person and simply hit reply, I >> reply to the person. When I received an e-mail from a >> discussion-list and simply hit reply, I expect the reply to go to >> the discussion-list. > > The message came *via* the list. Not *from* it. > > Which, I think, is the point of much of this thread :) Yes, but you missed my point: that most non-technical users can't be bothered with your rather technical nitpicking (in their opinion) between those two scenarios. Every person on this mailing list can probably solve the dmarc+yahoo issue for his own discussion list or forwarding service use (is there actually a problem when nobody is using yahoo here?). The whole thread started with a group of users who don't have that knowledge, being John's church group. Fixing it for them is the hard part. You can't expect them to understand that using a different button in their MUA for some situations (depending on circumstances that they need to learn to recognize) is the right thing to do. The 'inconvenience' that you so easily brush aside, is a lot harder to overcome when you actually don't care about (technical) differences between replying to a person vs. replying to a list. Changing people's behaviour is a lot harder than changing software. Ultimately, software should accommodate people, in stead of the other way around: even as a technical person I despise the fact that I actually need to use a 'special' reply button for discussion list mail (whatever it's called) when I intend to get the expected behaviour: send the reply to where the original mail came from (for discussion lists they means IMO: the list, not the author). Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTSUV7AAoJEJPfMZ19VO/1vdEQANYibeH2jJBaWwi8FCurEVD0 XxEi1IpK7/LPZeHL3xzSt7DaEi9nkJdzBI81rxMnSwrugoo8NZMmKiNdeO3L5uTV 66eB1LXgaKWoB5C/ZxzLpEH+78rvpHK959fy5NxmuyV5/1o4KBJDNIXDTeXtAZD4 klv8S4Rue1man0FzKyMPlyPXPqe9CmQx20y8KOTHQ4wK1C2NYDZuJbgI13vJIMhO HIpf5VO9fTn7gifobpgfyc5YRPbcUY/8miB0jr3cpq9kxoJnQ/hqOyEKe23isgez eiAJuSAVGieZfzoovhSnplq6CU8FiaqNrwUhJ3n8/JmVF/E8Kv235RnbT77Gc6iF 1pyMoTIPfKpoHjM1eKKx/tXQcMTHxxUZ4ZEom+TCYdOloZz2+t6NpdFLiGCXQCGJ xkFY1ytkZTLQonBnHxF/ZMbQz6nW9pNPFSjXwyzxZVRgQccbFp2+qcU0sAFzbX1Y C+fEXxLeVujLxCeVm7bqCDThzSeSqXd0jO+5MDj2J0wMZm0alkq0s1TCJZ8+hX3k rjuUvOTE3BTkCY9ul1FrTzWPVnmlpQeeKLHYUhlY94al733C4N+7ThM9BgXzPGI9 2mT1pHDBut9UiVMbC9pn+KTHrQuQP19BzAK5UR5Hqy7raWeQ3tat7U5LIJSu6ICz 69FPiTpY6vs7Q20DJi0h =BC9l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ dmarc-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
