On 2021-10-18 14:56, Baptiste Carvello wrote:

There is no abuse.  MLMs act as submitters.  Setting From: should be a
must.

This all habit of telling other actors what they should or must do has
to stop. This hubris is the original sin of Yahoo, which started all the
trouble.

yahoo follow same error as this maillist here ?, why is ietf add dkim signing to my mlm message at all ?, amazonaws does the same error, sendgrid does the same error, all foolsly forwarding service dkim sign mails that is not originating from them, if thay stop this and did a openARC seal/sign we would all be happy, but that process of openARC must be done BEFORE dkim is breaked, period :)

lets talk about dmarc when this is solved or even is rfc stable

note its fairly simple to add Mail::DKIM::ARC::Signer and Mail::DKIM::ARC::Seal instaed of using dkim signer for non origination mails in amavisd, who will make that path ?

if done problem solved

remember mails that is in amavisd origination must not be ARC signed or Sealed but it must be dkim signed

rest is handled downstrem on breaking dkim forward hosts


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