Brad Roberts, el 18 de enero a las 14:59 me escribiste: > On 1/18/2012 2:48 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: > > Andrei Alexandrescu, el 18 de enero a las 13:14 me escribiste: > >> On 1/18/12 12:26 PM, Leandro Lucarella wrote: > >>> Alex, el 18 de enero a las 18:46 me escribiste: > >>>> It's simple: It usually goes in both. You file a bug/enhancement > >>>> request/whatever on Bugzilla. People then post on Trello when they're > >>>> working on it, adding comments/changes as they make progress. > >>> > >>> So now to know the state or a bug I have to see 2 sites. Great! > >> > >> We have in-house task management software at Facebook that is > >> separate from (and virtually not integrated with) the issue tracking > >> software. We use it to great effect, and based on that experience I > >> can tell it would be beneficial (I'd actually say "basic survival") > >> to use something similar for D. > >> > >> Leandro, your thoughts and ideas are always welcome, but they seem > >> to come straight from the viewpoint that we're good as we are. As a > >> participant to this project, I can tell we're not. Me must get > >> organized in 2012 as an essential matter. > > > > No Andrei, you're wrong, take probably the biggest opensource project > > ever, Linux, as an example and realize that that's not **necessary** (if > > you think Linux is a completely different piece of software, take Python > > as an example). I've been always *pushing* ways to be more organized in > > the development of D, so I completely agree about the goal, I just feel > > like you might not be moving in the right direction. > > > > Anyway, I will just shut up because I have no idea about what is Trello > > about and have no information whatsoever about do you plan to use it (is > > there any place where I can find this discussion?). If bugzilla will > > **really** stay the same (I wish it would get much better though, maybe > > that's why you feel like you need another tool), I will not complain > > anymore (same if it get *replaced* by a better alternative for that > > matter). > > > > No, he's not wrong. There's little value in taking the term > 'necessary' to the extreme end of the scale. That there are examples > of projects/products that can survived with little if any organization > and planning (and I posit that you're wrong about linux itself.. it > has a LOT of structure within the organizations that contribute the > most man power (redhat, being a great example)) is irrelevant.
I was talking about introducing another tool. As I said, I'm all in for better organization. I just don't think that adding more tools to the mix will fix anything, because as you said, they are mostly social issues. I even think that adding more tools can *harm* organization, as you might not know where to report or look for stuff. Where I think Andrei is wrong is in his reasoning about "if we don't get a new tool, we can't organize". -- Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca) http://llucax.com.ar/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG Key: 5F5A8D05 (F8CD F9A7 BF00 5431 4145 104C 949E BFB6 5F5A 8D05) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 people die every year, testing if a 9 volts battery works on their tongue _______________________________________________ dmd-internals mailing list [email protected] http://lists.puremagic.com/mailman/listinfo/dmd-internals
