Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > Devuan is not adopting anything atm. Those packages are in > experimental, that is a repo meant for experimentations and tests.
Noted. Thank you for clarifying (and yes, that was also stressed in the Subject header). > The mistake made by Debian was to inconditionally adopt systemd and > its kitchen sink, leaving behind the users who did not want to get in > that messy wagon, i.e., us. For the record (at the risk of repeating myself), I do not agree, and think it worth explaining once again why. Debian's mistake IMO was to not respond to having been put in an untenable position by GNOME developers by unmooring themselves from GNOME as a core distro feature required by Debian Policy. In my view, the General Resolution concerned the wrong question. It should have been about adopting a different standard DE (or no DE), not about whether the Technical Commitee may require a specific init system as PID1 and whether interoperation with various init systems should be encouraged. Wrong question. If they had simply dis-established GNOME as the official DE, then the ConsoleKit bitrot issue would have been relegated to 'GNOME problem' rather than 'Debian problem'. I blame tunnel-vision. The DDs failed to assess the overall situation and realise that the real problem was GNOME (and its underlying dependencies on the ever-changing Freedesktop.org code hairball), and that they'd need to deal with it eventually or would keep finding their policies dictated by unplanned Freedesktop.org code churn via coercion applied through excessive and problematic dependencies. Devuan is at risk of falling into the same pitfall if it keeps framing the problem as merely systemd-avoidance, and at best seeks nothing better than compatible workalikes for Freedesktop.org components. That is all that elogind is, and IMO that's all eudev is, too. To quote an old movie, the only way to win is not to play. > Being a universal distro is not about satisfying the needs of a small > user base, rather about not leaving anybody behind. Debian has mostly > failed at that. That's why Devuan exists. I certainly respect Devuan for trying to respect that aspiration where Debian failed. However, I'm increasingly inclined to think that a universal operating system is an unwise goal. (As always, I'm not offended by distro software decisions I differ from. I'll change the necessary implementation details locally if necessary.) _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
