Andrew On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 01:27 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
> > On 06/23/2011 10:13 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > > We are essentially saying the same thing. For necessary files where > > the ODF cannot be read due to the inability of having LibreOffice > > installed to read ODF files then falling back on .pdf's is fine. If > > there is a need to create a quick and dirty ODF reader, then we should > > put this to the dev's as a project -- a "LibreOffice Reader". We > > should not be advocating the use of any other format unless we really > > have to. If our documents are so important for a user to want to read, > > then they should download our product to read our wonderful manuals. > > I expect to see PDF readers on certain platforms long before I see an > ODF reader (iPhone, Android, Kindle, etc), yet I may use those devices > to read my documents when I am away from my computer. > > Would love to have a copy of LO that works on my portable platforms, but > I really do not expect it any time soon. Would be nice, however.... I > would rate that as a much lower priority that some other issues in the > software (like say a better macro recorder). > > > > > Otherwise, we relegate the ODF (and LibreOffice) to a secondary > > position -- there will always be individuals inside our group who will > > clamour for a .pdf version to add "universality" to our product line. > > This is completely counter-productive. The request for .pdf will never > > cease and all of our documentation will be in ODF/PDF versions with no > > real reason to fully adopt the ODF format by any user. > > Well, off hand, I can download the ODF file, generate the PDF, but then > I must move it through my computer before I move it on to the devices > that do not support ODF. I need to also make certain that you provide > all the fonts that I require and install those. I used to have that > problem with PDFs generated by my employer. They used some strange font > that my computer did not have. I had to install the font before I could > view the document. Need to teach them how to embed the font into a PDF > file. I may be wrong, but I believe MSO 2010 and 2007? are able to open ODF files except for possibly Base > > Worse, corporate adoption of our product will be hard to get if they > > will never see the benefits of using our products if they only read it > > through .pdf formats for their convenience. It is difficult to issue > > accolades to a product that second guesses itself to its intended user > > base. If pdf's are so necessary, then people should be looking for a > > .pdf office suite as everyone extolls its virtues. > > Most of the clients that I see, and even where I work, most of the users > are not given sufficient permissions that they are able to install new > software on their computers. In most cases, documents that I generate > using ODF must be converted to another form for delivery. The only place > you will likely have traction when you say "download this to look at my > documents" is when you generate a document of sufficient interest that > the average user is willing to do so. > > > I don't think Adobe would ever suggest to anyone else to use a > > different format for people to read their manuals, they would of > > course tell all to download their reader and to then read their > > wonderful manuals. > > Easy to shoot holes in most of my concerns as they relates to say LO > documentation, however, because the person who desires LO documentation > likely has LO installed. So, acrobat documentation as a PDF makes sense. > Better not use fonts that the user will not have, however. Consider that > in Gnome 3 they removed the minimize button because the average user > will be confused by it "where did my program go". Off hand, I would say > that if that is true, then it is not reasonable to expect a user to > install much of anything (I must be tired and cranky). > > When I am using a computer that is not my own (say at work, at a > library, visiting a neighbor or family) and I want to look up something > in the documentation.... Asking to install a large piece of software is > frequently not an option. I know people that still use dial-up. > > > We should do the same, as we do have the better format of the two. The > > use of .dpf's should be done in a very strategic way and not in a > > universally applied fashion. > > > > All of my opinions. > > > > Cheers > > > > Marc > > > > It is not possible to embed fonts in an ODF document, but I can in a PDF > document. Then again, last time I tried to create a PDF/A-1a using LO, > the generated PDF was not usable (it caused my PDF reader to crash). > Last time I tried this with OOo, it worked fine. > > > > -- > Andrew Pitonyak > My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt > Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php > > -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
