On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:04:08 -0200 Rogerio Luz Coelho <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spliting guides woule be DESASTROUS ... imagine someone trying to get help > on a guide having to find the info they need on ANOTHER guide ... sorry > this will not work, it is easier to have a step by step aproach and let > those who need it jump to the sections they want. > > GS with BASE whould IMHO be related to the simple task of making a adress > book (see BASE TUTORIAL by Mariano Casanova) Yes, I think this would be the best approach if we were starting from scratch. Use one of the wizard's standard databases and show the creation of the table(s) and input form(s), a couple of simple queries and a simple report. Design from first principles would then be covered in the Base User Guide. But we are not starting from scratch. Dan has put a lot of work into this and I'm sure he doesn't want to see it wasted. Also it is high time we got *something* out. It seems that Base has always lagged behind the other modules where documentation is concerned. So cutting down the existing GS guide and moving the deleted sections elsewhere would seem to be the best option. I am going to try and produce a cut-down version and see if it will work. If I succeed, I will put it into the drafts folder for review. > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/02/Base_tutorial.pdf > > At least this is what we plan on translating next for BASE in Brazil > > Rogerio > > 2012/2/5 Dan Lewis <[email protected]> > > > Perhaps, but I'm thinking that Base like the other guides will > > have people using only parts of the guide. Some will use the simple, and > > others with use the complex. So, I wonder about splitting Base or any of > > the other guides. Who knows, someone beginning with the simple might > > decide to try something more complex. Would they do so if it was not in > > the guide they had? And what about maintenance of the guides? That seems > > to be adding extra work. I suppose I like the idea of having the guide > > go from the simpler to the more complex using one outline. This seems to > > be simpler than using two outlines when writing: the simple, and the > > advanced. Just some of my thoughts. > > > > --Dan > > > > On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 19:45 +0000, Tom Davies wrote: > > > Hi :) I like that plan :) I think splitting the guide would be easier > > > after this incarnation of it is completed. I think we need something > > > solid and "out there" (released and published on Lulu) before we can > > > really make sense of exactly what does and what doesn't work well in > > > those sorts of splits. I guess that since this one is looking like > > > being the advanced one then a slimmer one for a flat database might be > > > easier for someone afterwards? > > > > > > Regards from > > > Tom :) > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/2/12, Dan Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > From: Dan Lewis <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Sunday, 5 February, 2012, 19:33 > > > > > > What I have been thinking about for some time but never really got > > > a round to doing: > > > 1. Getting Started with Base chapter containing a flat database created > > > by the Wizards with the basics of what to do. > > > 2. Base Guide: (first four chapters that is) > > > a. Introduction to Base: creating a relational database with the > > > basics of what to do. > > > b. Planning/Designing databases: what is needed when planning a > > > database and how to > > > turn the plan into the database's design. Contains examples of a > > > flat database and a > > > more complex relational database. (Thorough explanation of the > > > principles.) > > > c. Data Input and Removal: thorough explanation of the principles of > > > the tables and > > > forms including use of SQL in creating, modifying, and deleting > > > tables. > > > d. Data Output: thorough explanation of the principles of queries, > > > views, and reports. > > > > > > --Dan > > > > > > On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 19:03 +0000, Tom Davies wrote: > > > > Hi :) > > > > I used to think that Base might need 2 "Getting Started" guides. > > > > 1. for people just doing data-entry and normal user perhaps with > > routine maintenance > > > > 2. for designers building a database and front-end and for advanced > > maintenance. > > > > > > > > Writing for 1 would be a nightmare due to the huge variety that is > > possible when building a database with Base as the front-end. I don't > > think we can really do even a basic generic enough guide until after the > > one for 2 is done. > > > > > > > > Hazel are you saying my 2 would really need to be split into two too? > > If only 2 sections need to be moved out of the GS Chapter then would that > > chapter still make sense? Wouldn't it remove something crucial? The GS > > Guide is just meant to be an appetiser rather than go into tons of detail. > > Chances are that most users will only use Base through using mail-merge > > and stuff like that so we really need to keep it as simple as possible. If > > the chapter still makes sense then moving those sections to the full guide > > for Base would be great imo too. > > > > Regards from > > > > Tom :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > [email protected] > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- Hazel Russman <[email protected]> -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
