I would prefer to cut down Introducing Base and making it the
Gettting Started with Base chapter. It could be reduced to using only a
flat database with its single table created by the Tqble Wizard., a
form, one or more queries, and one or more reports.
Presently, the Getting Started chapter uses a relational database
which is more involved than the flat database. That seems to make it a
better candidate for the first chapter of the Base Guide. Even then it
probably could use some cutting down as well.
Hazel: the section that I sent you on copying a table from Calc
should really be a part of chapter 5. So, if you have not done anything
with this, don't.
--Dan
On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 11:04 +0000, Hazel Russman wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 19:04:08 -0200
<SNIP>
>
> Yes, I think this would be the best approach if we were starting from
> scratch. Use one of the wizard's standard databases and show the
> creation of the table(s) and input form(s), a couple of simple queries
> and a simple report. Design from first principles would then be covered
> in the Base User Guide.
>
> But we are not starting from scratch. Dan has put a lot of work into
> this and I'm sure he doesn't want to see it wasted. Also it is high
> time we got *something* out. It seems that Base has always lagged
> behind the other modules where documentation is concerned. So cutting
> down the existing GS guide and moving the deleted sections elsewhere
> would seem to be the best option. I am going to try and produce a
> cut-down version and see if it will work. If I succeed, I will put it
> into the drafts folder for review.
>
<SNIP>
> >
> > 2012/2/5 Dan Lewis <elderdanle...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Perhaps, but I'm thinking that Base like the other guides will
> > > have people using only parts of the guide. Some will use the simple, and
> > > others with use the complex. So, I wonder about splitting Base or any of
> > > the other guides. Who knows, someone beginning with the simple might
> > > decide to try something more complex. Would they do so if it was not in
> > > the guide they had? And what about maintenance of the guides? That seems
> > > to be adding extra work. I suppose I like the idea of having the guide
> > > go from the simpler to the more complex using one outline. This seems to
> > > be simpler than using two outlines when writing: the simple, and the
> > > advanced. Just some of my thoughts.
> > >
> > > --Dan
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 19:45 +0000, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > > Hi :) I like that plan :) I think splitting the guide would be easier
> > > > after this incarnation of it is completed. I think we need something
> > > > solid and "out there" (released and published on Lulu) before we can
> > > > really make sense of exactly what does and what doesn't work well in
> > > > those sorts of splits. I guess that since this one is looking like
> > > > being the advanced one then a slimmer one for a flat database might be
> > > > easier for someone afterwards?
> > > >
> > > > Regards from
> > > > Tom :)
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 5/2/12, Dan Lewis <elderdanle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Dan Lewis <elderdanle...@gmail.com>
> > > > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base
> > > > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > Date: Sunday, 5 February, 2012, 19:33
> > > >
> > > > What I have been thinking about for some time but never really got
> > > > a round to doing:
> > > > 1. Getting Started with Base chapter containing a flat database created
> > > > by the Wizards with the basics of what to do.
> > > > 2. Base Guide: (first four chapters that is)
> > > > a. Introduction to Base: creating a relational database with the
> > > > basics of what to do.
> > > > b. Planning/Designing databases: what is needed when planning a
> > > > database and how to
> > > > turn the plan into the database's design. Contains examples of a
> > > > flat database and a
> > > > more complex relational database. (Thorough explanation of the
> > > > principles.)
> > > > c. Data Input and Removal: thorough explanation of the principles of
> > > > the tables and
> > > > forms including use of SQL in creating, modifying, and deleting
> > > > tables.
> > > > d. Data Output: thorough explanation of the principles of queries,
> > > > views, and reports.
> > > >
> > > > --Dan
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 19:03 +0000, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > > > Hi :)
> > > > > I used to think that Base might need 2 "Getting Started" guides.
> > > > > 1. for people just doing data-entry and normal user perhaps with
> > > routine maintenance
> > > > > 2. for designers building a database and front-end and for advanced
> > > maintenance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Writing for 1 would be a nightmare due to the huge variety that is
> > > possible when building a database with Base as the front-end. I don't
> > > think we can really do even a basic generic enough guide until after the
> > > one for 2 is done.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hazel are you saying my 2 would really need to be split into two too?
> > > If only 2 sections need to be moved out of the GS Chapter then would that
> > > chapter still make sense? Wouldn't it remove something crucial? The GS
> > > Guide is just meant to be an appetiser rather than go into tons of detail.
> > > Chances are that most users will only use Base through using mail-merge
> > > and stuff like that so we really need to keep it as simple as possible.
> > > If
> > > the chapter still makes sense then moving those sections to the full guide
> > > for Base would be great imo too.
> > > > > Regards from
> > > > > Tom :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
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