Hello Felipe, Steve and the Docs Team After working on the Impress toolbar appendix, I have realised that putting a marker for already installed in the Visible Buttons list could be confusing for some users.
To explain as follows: In Windows, installed tools have the icon highlighted, macOS uses a check mark. Windows and macOS have slightly different default installations of LibreOffice. A user computer setup maybe using a user's own style of LibreOffice installation. That means the default set of tools could be different. Suggested solution — add information about different operating systems and computer setups (as a Note!!! At the beginning of Toolbars). No need to put a marker in the Visible Buttons list. The Visible Buttons font was set to 10 point, but has now been increased to 11 point to match Text Body. An asterix or star is small at 10 or 11 point, that was why I originally used a check mark, then (installed). Using (installed) definitely did not look good and LibreOffice does not include a check mark in its font. Regards Peter Schofield [email protected] > On 25 Aug 2020, at 03:23, Felipe Viggiano <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I was looking at the second version of Appendix B and the checkmark > appeared just fine for me and it looked really good. > > About the word "installed", I agree with Steve that it could sound > repetitive. > > To this discussion, I would like to suggest a couple of options as shown in > the screenshots below: > > *Suggestion 01* - Highlight the visible buttons with the Strong Emphasis > character style and indicate it in the text before the figure: > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/3RC3TMsL5aRwccL > > *Suggestion 02* - Divide the visible buttons from the available ones: > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/erBHjygq5xZdg7X > > Hope I could contribute to this matter. > > Best regards, > Felipe Viggiano > > > > > Em seg., 24 de ago. de 2020 às 15:59, Steve (GMail) < > [email protected]> escreveu: > >> Hello All, >> >> I am concerned about appending the text "(installed)" to many entries in >> these lists. It seems like unnecessary clutter and I would prefer a >> simpler visual mark of some sort. I was a bit surprised that Peter felt >> that my suggestion of using the Liberation Sans "Combining Asterisk >> Above" special character was not really visible - it looked okay on my >> screen. Are there any other options that might work? >> >> Regards, >> >> Steve >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Samantha Hamilton" <[email protected]> >> To: "Peter Schofield" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "Steve (GMail)" <[email protected]>; "LibreOffice" >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: 23/08/2020 18:28:57 >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide - Toolbar >> Appendix 2nd Example >> >>> Hello, Peter, and Steve, >>> >>> I glanced through the second version of the drafted Appendix and wanted >>> to share my brief thoughts/feedback. >>> I agree, the layout in the Standard toolbar section is the better >>> layout >>> Alphabetical to match the Figure 1 context menu would help provide >>> quick and easy referencing >>> The Zapf Dingbats checkmark displayed with no issues, and when >>> highlighted showed "Visible Button" -- If you're using "(installed)" to >>> represent the checkmark, maybe make a note in the text of this >>> substitution? >>> I hope this helps! Overall, I still think the idea is a great addition >>> to the guides. >>> >>> Best, >>> Sam. >>> >>> Samantha Hamilton >>> darling docs >>> >>> <https://darlingdocs.wordpress.com/> >>> <https://github.com/samanthahamilton> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamilton-64b4b71b0/> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 6:33 AM Peter Schofield <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> Hello Steve >>>> >>>> Alphabetical it is. It is the easiest method and matches the context >>>> menu. >>>> >>>> Peter Schofield >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 12:27, Steve (GMail) <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>> >>>>> In the Calc context, I could nominate a few main toolbars (probably >>>> those that are displayed when a fresh installation is first run - >>>> Standard and Formatting) but beyond that it would be very subjective >>>> as you suggest. >>>>> >>>>> Alphabetical sounds simplest to me, as that would make it easier to >>>> locate details of a specific toolbar of interest within the appendix. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Peter Schofield" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: "Steve (GMail)" <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: "LibreOffice" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: 23/08/2020 10:51:25 >>>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide - Toolbar >>>> Appendix 2nd Example >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Steve and the Docs Team >>>>>> >>>>>> One question needs answering. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do I list the toolbars in the same order as shown in Figure 1, >>>> which is in alphabetical order. This context menu is opened by going >>>> to View > Toolbars on the main menu bar. >>>>>> >>>>>> The alternative is to put the main toolbars first, then the minor >>>> toolbars. Question is which toolbars are the main toolbars? People >>>> will differ in opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Peter Schofield >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 10:21, Steve (GMail) >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Peter, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again for your efforts on this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I prefer the layout of information in the Standard toolbar >>>> section. To me it feels more concise than the table used for the Line >>>> and Filling toolbar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My only question refers to the tick character. With one of these >>>> ticks selected, on my computer Writer reports that "the current font >>>> is not available and will be substituted" (in the tooltip on the Font >>>> Name box). The tick is visible but I wondered whether that will be the >>>> case for all users? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Peter Schofield" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: "libreOffice" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: 22/08/2020 11:26:42 >>>>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide - Toolbar >>>> Appendix 2nd Example >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After some suggestions from the LO Doc Team, I have uploaded a >>>> second example IG7013-Toolbars-Example-Appendix-02 for the Impress >>>> Guide 7.0. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Standard toolbar now has a numbered list in columns instead of a >>>> screenshot for Visible Buttons. >>>>>>>> Line and Filling toolbar has a table instead of a screenshot for >>>> Visible Buttons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Comments and suggestions are more than welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Peter Schofield >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> <mailto:documentation%[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Problems? >>>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>>>> List archive: >>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>>>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> <mailto:documentation%[email protected]> >>>>>>> Problems? >>>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>>>> List archive: >>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> <mailto:documentation%[email protected]> >>>>> Problems? >>>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>> List archive: >>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> <mailto:documentation%[email protected]> >>>> Problems? >>>> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>> Posting guidelines + more: >>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: >>>> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >>>> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >>>> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >> Problems? >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >> Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
