Steve wrote: > You miss one point: Everyone and his dog think they can package the > product better. Let's look for example at Debian: They break up the > configuration in peaces and have one part in dspam.conf while having > another part some where external. > > And now just think about how many different distros are there and > other OS that do the same. And now try to bring one universal tool > helping to configure all those DSPAM installations. Good look doing > that!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to advocate for a 'universal tool'.
If we can install all the relevant stuff in relevant locations (based on
FHS or any other sane standard), we can also ship a tool that can work
with this setup. Distros can customize by using --prefix and the likes,
and the DSPAM build scripts can deal with it.
If Debian or anybody else decides that they know better than upstream,
then that is their way of working. I'm sure they'll find a way to make
good use of a configuration tool we ship, or just remove it from their
package.
>
> At the time when I wrote that configure part for the Ebuild, every
> one in the Gentoo community was crying out loud how hard it is to
> configure DSPAM. I could not hear any more those complains so I did
> not wanted to repeat the same and again the same message/instructions
> on the Gentoo forum. That was one of the reasons I rewrote the
> Ebuild.
Dspam *is* hard to configure, also after using the script in the ebuild:
there are lots of other options that might need some fiddling before you
have dspam running in a way fit for you, your users and your hardware.
For instance: the choice for large-scale, domain-scale or none of them.
It is not clear what the choice means for your setup: does it affect the
default config, or does it also affect the way Dspam works internally?
Why does Dspam have this option, and Postfix for example doesn't? Or to
turn it the other way: why needs Dspam such a thing and Postfix or
Dovecot do not?
I just want to show an example (the answer is in the README), there are
so much things that you cannot gripe without reading all the docs again
and again. Postfix is quite easy to setup: default install and 30
minutes with a howto suffice for a simple test setup, and it does stuff
like domain-/large-scale in the config file, so you can fiddle with it
easily, *after* having your initial setup up and running. With Dspam you
get lost in the knobs and dials that have all kinds of functions that
are far from obvious, even before can type 'make && make install' ;)
Maybe it would make a nice point on the todo-list to look into a way to
make sure that new users can get a new install up and running without
too much hassle, even without a configuration utility or strong guidance
/lots of work from their distro.
>
> I do that often. You should see my nginx Ebuild. It's the same here.
> The original Ebuild is just plain wrong. But hey... I am to bored to
> fight with people in the b.g.o about obvious things. I use the Ebuild
> for me and I know that is right (I specifically asked the original
> author about configure options and his response confirmed me that the
> current Ebuild for nginx is not 100% correct). Today I would probably
> to the same with the DSPAM Ebuild. I would rewrite it and NOT submit
> it to b.g.o.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I love Gentoo but some things are just not the
> way it should be. You could now ask yourself who the hell I am to
> complain about Gentoo and say what is right and what is wrong? You
> are right.
>
I ran into some of these issues also, but maybe I'm not so harsh about
it as you are (yet). Still I love Gentoo as a platform.
--
Regards,
Tom
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