Mark,

I gotta agree with you on this one. I also sometimes open "a file, hack it
up, and then close without saving the changes."  My current solution is to
use WinCVS and perform an Update | Get Clean Copy since this option isn't
available from within IDEA.

I dont use LCVS and dont know much about the benefits of going this route so
I cant comment on the rollback thing.

But for my particular situation, I have to rely on a second program (WinCVS)
to undo a save I didn't want done in the firstplace.  I will stand alone or
stand with you and hold fast to the notion that under IDEA shouldn't be
making that decision for me, or remove me from the process of making the
decision of if I want to save a file.

I dont understand the aggresive defensive posture of those defending this
"feature".  I've got auto-sync turned off for performance reasons and so
when I do a CVS Update, I'm immediately out of sync.  The world doesn't end.
I do manual syncs when needed.  If the biggest negative of having a per-file
save is an out of sync environment, then why allow me to turn off auto sync
if it's that important?

Bottom line:  if I have files A and B and I want to save changes to A and
not B, I can't do it in IDEA.  That's sad. Does the current mode of
operation hinder my work?  No.  I work around it.  But it's a pain in the
ass to have to do this.  Why make me save changes to A and B and force me to
undo B?

I'll see you at the stoning ceremony Mark...


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Well, I am not against the auto-save and the LVCS, especially as I know more
about it.  I do think that it can be improved somewhat; the right click to
rollback was not very intuitive to me.  If anything, I think that the
feature can be expanded and improved even more, to make it more valuable.

MS Word has auto-save, as does Excel, just a different implementation of it;
roll back is primarily by closing the file without saving it.

And, sometimes, I open a file, hack it up, copy out what I wanted, and then
close without saving the changes.  Just an old(bad) habit I still use.  :)

It just happens to be how things currently are and what I am used to; but I
can also get use to some other things(and have)

However, with that said, I really conceded the debate few posts back(not
that it really did much good); I actually went on a tangent a while back. :)

Though, I find a certain irony in all of this.

Truth is, I am more concerned about some of the interface features.  It is
one of the reasons I use JCreator over WASD; more customizable and mouse
friendly.  JCreator may not(yet) be as fancy as IDEA, but for the price, it
gets the job done nicely; the current lack of any real JSP support is my
only main issue with it.  But, at the same time, some of the features in
IDEA are very nice, especially the JSP support.

Sometimes, for me(and this is something that is not going to change) IDEA is
a royal pain to use, cause I can't do some things easily(for me).  I would
absolutely love to put a find next and find previous button on the toolbar;
I know some people don't.  I constantly go for it, but it isn't there.
Having to stop and reach for F3 screws up my momentum and flow; and to be
honest, annoys me to no end.  Sometimes, I am literally working in bed, with
my laptop and optical mouse(I love those things), in dim light, and
constantly have to change hand positions just causes me more problems; such
as my all too common ctrl-c when I meant to ctrl-v(which in IDEA causes me
another problem).

I really am trying to like the product, but I will like it because it works
well for me; not because anyone else tells me that it does/should.
Basically, all of the fancy features in the world are not of much value if
they are not convenient to me.

And, I still say I am seriously disturbed. :)



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