i do the same thing all the time. then of course i undo or delete whatever i've typed and hit ctrl-s (save all). the interesting part is that LCVS is smart enough to figure out that i haven't done anything and the file becomes black (unchanged) again. not sure why you're having this the problem.
"Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message amnhhi$c4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnhhi$c4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi Paul, > > How about a real life example of what happended 5 min ago. > > I've got about 7 files open. Two of them are named very similar. Even the > code inside is similar looking, though not exactly the same. I make some > minor changes to one of them, but it was the wrong file. I had mistakenly > thought I was working on file A and instead I made the mods to file B. > > (Let's not digress into the "you should pay more attention/be more careful" > comments for now. I agree I should have been more aware of where I was > making the changes) > > In my world, I dont save the changes to A and paste it to B and we're done. > In IDEAs world, changes are saved to A no matter what. Because I am using > CVS, the mods to file A (even though there are no "real" changes made > because I backed them out) appear to be a new version. In order to get to > where I started from, I need to do an Update | Get Clean Copy on file A (or > save the changes in CVS and provide no comment or a dummy comment like > "there are no changes --this is really the same file". > > Let's be clear about the ramifications of what I am saying in a broader > context. Inadvertant keystrokes in files 1, 2, and 3 followed by a save > needed for a different file (4) force me to undo changes in files 1, 2 and > 3. These inadventant keystrokes could be as simple as hitting the space key > by accident. I just did it to test it. I hit the space bar and then hit > backspace to get to where I was before I did that, but to IDEA ---the file > is changed. Now I have a file that is out of sync with CVS. The contents > are exactly the same, but because IDEA chose to save it, I now have to deal > with the task of getting a clean copy from CVS or otherwise reconciling the > issue. > > This heavy handed "I know better than you" approach by the IDE is not > helpful. For christ sake, what is the worst that can happen if I choose to > save a file by itself? What is the downside? Suddenly things may not > compile? So what. I can address that. This "let me save it for you and > you can undo it if you dont like it" mentality is horrible. > > Why is it an all or none choice? You guys can continue to approve of and > enjoy the current behavior, while I and others can (if necessary) make use > of a "save this file only" behavior when needed. This is such a no brainer > to implement that the fact that this has been debated on multiple occasions > with Jetbrains and others saying "you'll see the light someday" amazes me. > I'm not saying stop the save all files functionality; only to add a save one > file only option. > > > > "Paul Bradshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > amnc02$3ha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnc02$3ha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I do that as well... but instead of relying on using an in-memory unsaved > > version as my 'version control', I just revert the changes if I need to do > > something like that. This is what version control is for. Now that I'm > > used to it, it seems really weird to use a transient unsaved file in > memory > > (inconsistent with the disk image) as some sort of version control or > > poor-man's "undo". I defintely prefer never having to worry about a saved > > state, and knowing that all changes are always recoverable via undo or via > > version control system. I can concentrate more on the code and less on > what > > the state of each editor is. It's a VERY positive change, imho. It > didn't > > take me THAT long to get used to it, though like you, it seemed very weird > > to me at first because I was so used to worrying about nonsense like that. > > Not any more. > > > > "Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > amfjp5$gin$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amfjp5$gin$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Mark, > > > > > > I gotta agree with you on this one. I also sometimes open "a file, hack > it > > > up, and then close without saving the changes." My current solution is > to > > > use WinCVS and perform an Update | Get Clean Copy since this option > isn't > > > available from within IDEA. > > > > > > I dont use LCVS and dont know much about the benefits of going this > route > > so > > > I cant comment on the rollback thing. > > > > > > But for my particular situation, I have to rely on a second program > > (WinCVS) > > > to undo a save I didn't want done in the firstplace. I will stand alone > > or > > > stand with you and hold fast to the notion that under IDEA shouldn't be > > > making that decision for me, or remove me from the process of making the > > > decision of if I want to save a file. > > > > > > I dont understand the aggresive defensive posture of those defending > this > > > "feature". I've got auto-sync turned off for performance reasons and so > > > when I do a CVS Update, I'm immediately out of sync. The world doesn't > > end. > > > I do manual syncs when needed. If the biggest negative of having a > > per-file > > > save is an out of sync environment, then why allow me to turn off auto > > sync > > > if it's that important? > > > > > > Bottom line: if I have files A and B and I want to save changes to A > and > > > not B, I can't do it in IDEA. That's sad. Does the current mode of > > > operation hinder my work? No. I work around it. But it's a pain in > the > > > ass to have to do this. Why make me save changes to A and B and force > me > > to > > > undo B? > > > > > > I'll see you at the stoning ceremony Mark... > > > > > > > > > "markshotwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Well, I am not against the auto-save and the LVCS, especially as I know > > more > > > about it. I do think that it can be improved somewhat; the right click > to > > > rollback was not very intuitive to me. If anything, I think that the > > > feature can be expanded and improved even more, to make it more > valuable. > > > > > > MS Word has auto-save, as does Excel, just a different implementation of > > it; > > > roll back is primarily by closing the file without saving it. > > > > > > And, sometimes, I open a file, hack it up, copy out what I wanted, and > > then > > > close without saving the changes. Just an old(bad) habit I still use. > :) > > > > > > It just happens to be how things currently are and what I am used to; > but > > I > > > can also get use to some other things(and have) > > > > > > However, with that said, I really conceded the debate few posts back(not > > > that it really did much good); I actually went on a tangent a while > back. > > :) > > > > > > Though, I find a certain irony in all of this. > > > > > > Truth is, I am more concerned about some of the interface features. It > is > > > one of the reasons I use JCreator over WASD; more customizable and mouse > > > friendly. JCreator may not(yet) be as fancy as IDEA, but for the price, > > it > > > gets the job done nicely; the current lack of any real JSP support is my > > > only main issue with it. But, at the same time, some of the features in > > > IDEA are very nice, especially the JSP support. > > > > > > Sometimes, for me(and this is something that is not going to change) > IDEA > > is > > > a royal pain to use, cause I can't do some things easily(for me). I > would > > > absolutely love to put a find next and find previous button on the > > toolbar; > > > I know some people don't. I constantly go for it, but it isn't there. > > > Having to stop and reach for F3 screws up my momentum and flow; and to > be > > > honest, annoys me to no end. Sometimes, I am literally working in bed, > > with > > > my laptop and optical mouse(I love those things), in dim light, and > > > constantly have to change hand positions just causes me more problems; > > such > > > as my all too common ctrl-c when I meant to ctrl-v(which in IDEA causes > me > > > another problem). > > > > > > I really am trying to like the product, but I will like it because it > > works > > > well for me; not because anyone else tells me that it does/should. > > > Basically, all of the fancy features in the world are not of much value > if > > > they are not convenient to me. > > > > > > And, I still say I am seriously disturbed. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Eap-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.jetbrains.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-bugs
