Hi Nikolay, Actually, I turned of LVCS at the suggestion of someone else on these boards who thought it was a performance issue. He might be right since IDEA is much faster than in the past, though I can't say for sure if LVCS was the problem.
"Nikolay Nikolov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message amnoe9$jtf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnoe9$jtf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > what i really meant was LVCS, which i imagine is on when any external VCS is > used. > > "Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > amnl4g$grr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnl4g$grr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Nikolay, > > > > I'm not using LCVS... > > > > > > "Nikolay Nikolov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > amnkis$g81$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnkis$g81$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > i do the same thing all the time. then of course i undo or delete > whatever > > > i've typed and hit ctrl-s (save all). > > > the interesting part is that LCVS is smart enough to figure out that i > > > haven't done anything and the file becomes black (unchanged) again. > > > not sure why you're having this the problem. > > > > > > > > > "Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > amnhhi$c4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnhhi$c4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > > > How about a real life example of what happended 5 min ago. > > > > > > > > I've got about 7 files open. Two of them are named very similar. > Even > > > the > > > > code inside is similar looking, though not exactly the same. I make > > some > > > > minor changes to one of them, but it was the wrong file. I had > > mistakenly > > > > thought I was working on file A and instead I made the mods to file B. > > > > > > > > (Let's not digress into the "you should pay more attention/be more > > > careful" > > > > comments for now. I agree I should have been more aware of where I > was > > > > making the changes) > > > > > > > > In my world, I dont save the changes to A and paste it to B and we're > > > done. > > > > In IDEAs world, changes are saved to A no matter what. Because I am > > using > > > > CVS, the mods to file A (even though there are no "real" changes made > > > > because I backed them out) appear to be a new version. In order to > get > > to > > > > where I started from, I need to do an Update | Get Clean Copy on file > A > > > (or > > > > save the changes in CVS and provide no comment or a dummy comment like > > > > "there are no changes --this is really the same file". > > > > > > > > Let's be clear about the ramifications of what I am saying in a > broader > > > > context. Inadvertant keystrokes in files 1, 2, and 3 followed by a > save > > > > needed for a different file (4) force me to undo changes in files 1, 2 > > and > > > > 3. These inadventant keystrokes could be as simple as hitting the > space > > > key > > > > by accident. I just did it to test it. I hit the space bar and then > > hit > > > > backspace to get to where I was before I did that, but to IDEA ---the > > file > > > > is changed. Now I have a file that is out of sync with CVS. The > > contents > > > > are exactly the same, but because IDEA chose to save it, I now have to > > > deal > > > > with the task of getting a clean copy from CVS or otherwise > reconciling > > > the > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > This heavy handed "I know better than you" approach by the IDE is not > > > > helpful. For christ sake, what is the worst that can happen if I > choose > > > to > > > > save a file by itself? What is the downside? Suddenly things may not > > > > compile? So what. I can address that. This "let me save it for you > > and > > > > you can undo it if you dont like it" mentality is horrible. > > > > > > > > Why is it an all or none choice? You guys can continue to approve of > > and > > > > enjoy the current behavior, while I and others can (if necessary) make > > use > > > > of a "save this file only" behavior when needed. This is such a no > > > brainer > > > > to implement that the fact that this has been debated on multiple > > > occasions > > > > with Jetbrains and others saying "you'll see the light someday" amazes > > me. > > > > I'm not saying stop the save all files functionality; only to add a > save > > > one > > > > file only option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Paul Bradshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > > amnc02$3ha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnc02$3ha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > I do that as well... but instead of relying on using an in-memory > > > unsaved > > > > > version as my 'version control', I just revert the changes if I need > > to > > > do > > > > > something like that. This is what version control is for. Now that > > I'm > > > > > used to it, it seems really weird to use a transient unsaved file in > > > > memory > > > > > (inconsistent with the disk image) as some sort of version control > or > > > > > poor-man's "undo". I defintely prefer never having to worry about a > > > saved > > > > > state, and knowing that all changes are always recoverable via undo > or > > > via > > > > > version control system. I can concentrate more on the code and less > > on > > > > what > > > > > the state of each editor is. It's a VERY positive change, imho. It > > > > didn't > > > > > take me THAT long to get used to it, though like you, it seemed very > > > weird > > > > > to me at first because I was so used to worrying about nonsense like > > > that. > > > > > Not any more. > > > > > > > > > > "Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > > > amfjp5$gin$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amfjp5$gin$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > I gotta agree with you on this one. I also sometimes open "a file, > > > hack > > > > it > > > > > > up, and then close without saving the changes." My current > solution > > > is > > > > to > > > > > > use WinCVS and perform an Update | Get Clean Copy since this > option > > > > isn't > > > > > > available from within IDEA. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont use LCVS and dont know much about the benefits of going > this > > > > route > > > > > so > > > > > > I cant comment on the rollback thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > But for my particular situation, I have to rely on a second > program > > > > > (WinCVS) > > > > > > to undo a save I didn't want done in the firstplace. I will stand > > > alone > > > > > or > > > > > > stand with you and hold fast to the notion that under IDEA > shouldn't > > > be > > > > > > making that decision for me, or remove me from the process of > making > > > the > > > > > > decision of if I want to save a file. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont understand the aggresive defensive posture of those > defending > > > > this > > > > > > "feature". I've got auto-sync turned off for performance reasons > > and > > > so > > > > > > when I do a CVS Update, I'm immediately out of sync. The world > > > doesn't > > > > > end. > > > > > > I do manual syncs when needed. If the biggest negative of having > a > > > > > per-file > > > > > > save is an out of sync environment, then why allow me to turn off > > auto > > > > > sync > > > > > > if it's that important? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: if I have files A and B and I want to save changes > to > > A > > > > and > > > > > > not B, I can't do it in IDEA. That's sad. Does the current mode > of > > > > > > operation hinder my work? No. I work around it. But it's a pain > > in > > > > the > > > > > > ass to have to do this. Why make me save changes to A and B and > > force > > > > me > > > > > to > > > > > > undo B? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll see you at the stoning ceremony Mark... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "markshotwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > Well, I am not against the auto-save and the LVCS, especially as I > > > know > > > > > more > > > > > > about it. I do think that it can be improved somewhat; the right > > > click > > > > to > > > > > > rollback was not very intuitive to me. If anything, I think that > > the > > > > > > feature can be expanded and improved even more, to make it more > > > > valuable. > > > > > > > > > > > > MS Word has auto-save, as does Excel, just a different > > implementation > > > of > > > > > it; > > > > > > roll back is primarily by closing the file without saving it. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, sometimes, I open a file, hack it up, copy out what I wanted, > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > close without saving the changes. Just an old(bad) habit I still > > use. > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > It just happens to be how things currently are and what I am used > > to; > > > > but > > > > > I > > > > > > can also get use to some other things(and have) > > > > > > > > > > > > However, with that said, I really conceded the debate few posts > > > back(not > > > > > > that it really did much good); I actually went on a tangent a whil > e > > > > back. > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Though, I find a certain irony in all of this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Truth is, I am more concerned about some of the interface > features. > > > It > > > > is > > > > > > one of the reasons I use JCreator over WASD; more customizable and > > > mouse > > > > > > friendly. JCreator may not(yet) be as fancy as IDEA, but for the > > > price, > > > > > it > > > > > > gets the job done nicely; the current lack of any real JSP support > > is > > > my > > > > > > only main issue with it. But, at the same time, some of the > > features > > > in > > > > > > IDEA are very nice, especially the JSP support. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, for me(and this is something that is not going to > change) > > > > IDEA > > > > > is > > > > > > a royal pain to use, cause I can't do some things easily(for me). > I > > > > would > > > > > > absolutely love to put a find next and find previous button on the > > > > > toolbar; > > > > > > I know some people don't. I constantly go for it, but it isn't > > there. > > > > > > Having to stop and reach for F3 screws up my momentum and flow; > and > > to > > > > be > > > > > > honest, annoys me to no end. Sometimes, I am literally working in > > > bed, > > > > > with > > > > > > my laptop and optical mouse(I love those things), in dim light, > and > > > > > > constantly have to change hand positions just causes me more > > problems; > > > > > such > > > > > > as my all too common ctrl-c when I meant to ctrl-v(which in IDEA > > > causes > > > > me > > > > > > another problem). > > > > > > > > > > > > I really am trying to like the product, but I will like it because > > it > > > > > works > > > > > > well for me; not because anyone else tells me that it does/should. > > > > > > Basically, all of the fancy features in the world are not of much > > > value > > > > if > > > > > > they are not convenient to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, I still say I am seriously disturbed. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Eap-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.jetbrains.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-bugs
