Sorry, I'm still not getting it. In that same situation, I'd just right-click, Perforce, Revert. Done. No comments, no 'labels', no nothing. I'm not sure why you seem to think it's so complicated. Or why you can't just hit undo?
I think you're desperately clining to an old way of thinking about it, and that's what's causing you problems. Because really, there simply *isn't* a problem. Learn to let go.... :-) I'm serious. I thought I would miss it. I honestly don't, not for a second. And now I wish I didn't have to worry about 'saving' stuff in other apps... it's one of those minor mundane details that the computer should worry about, freeing me to think about more important things. Which is what IDEA is all about (like in my favorite case: refactor->rename, and refactor->change method signature.... IDEA takes care of the mundane stuff, while I just concentrate on the functionality and the high level). "Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message amnhhi$c4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnhhi$c4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi Paul, > > How about a real life example of what happended 5 min ago. > > I've got about 7 files open. Two of them are named very similar. Even the > code inside is similar looking, though not exactly the same. I make some > minor changes to one of them, but it was the wrong file. I had mistakenly > thought I was working on file A and instead I made the mods to file B. > > (Let's not digress into the "you should pay more attention/be more careful" > comments for now. I agree I should have been more aware of where I was > making the changes) > > In my world, I dont save the changes to A and paste it to B and we're done. > In IDEAs world, changes are saved to A no matter what. Because I am using > CVS, the mods to file A (even though there are no "real" changes made > because I backed them out) appear to be a new version. In order to get to > where I started from, I need to do an Update | Get Clean Copy on file A (or > save the changes in CVS and provide no comment or a dummy comment like > "there are no changes --this is really the same file". > > Let's be clear about the ramifications of what I am saying in a broader > context. Inadvertant keystrokes in files 1, 2, and 3 followed by a save > needed for a different file (4) force me to undo changes in files 1, 2 and > 3. These inadventant keystrokes could be as simple as hitting the space key > by accident. I just did it to test it. I hit the space bar and then hit > backspace to get to where I was before I did that, but to IDEA ---the file > is changed. Now I have a file that is out of sync with CVS. The contents > are exactly the same, but because IDEA chose to save it, I now have to deal > with the task of getting a clean copy from CVS or otherwise reconciling the > issue. > > This heavy handed "I know better than you" approach by the IDE is not > helpful. For christ sake, what is the worst that can happen if I choose to > save a file by itself? What is the downside? Suddenly things may not > compile? So what. I can address that. This "let me save it for you and > you can undo it if you dont like it" mentality is horrible. > > Why is it an all or none choice? You guys can continue to approve of and > enjoy the current behavior, while I and others can (if necessary) make use > of a "save this file only" behavior when needed. This is such a no brainer > to implement that the fact that this has been debated on multiple occasions > with Jetbrains and others saying "you'll see the light someday" amazes me. > I'm not saying stop the save all files functionality; only to add a save one > file only option. > > > > "Paul Bradshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > amnc02$3ha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amnc02$3ha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I do that as well... but instead of relying on using an in-memory unsaved > > version as my 'version control', I just revert the changes if I need to do > > something like that. This is what version control is for. Now that I'm > > used to it, it seems really weird to use a transient unsaved file in > memory > > (inconsistent with the disk image) as some sort of version control or > > poor-man's "undo". I defintely prefer never having to worry about a saved > > state, and knowing that all changes are always recoverable via undo or via > > version control system. I can concentrate more on the code and less on > what > > the state of each editor is. It's a VERY positive change, imho. It > didn't > > take me THAT long to get used to it, though like you, it seemed very weird > > to me at first because I was so used to worrying about nonsense like that. > > Not any more. > > > > "Michael Morett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > amfjp5$gin$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:amfjp5$gin$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Mark, > > > > > > I gotta agree with you on this one. I also sometimes open "a file, hack > it > > > up, and then close without saving the changes." My current solution is > to > > > use WinCVS and perform an Update | Get Clean Copy since this option > isn't > > > available from within IDEA. > > > > > > I dont use LCVS and dont know much about the benefits of going this > route > > so > > > I cant comment on the rollback thing. > > > > > > But for my particular situation, I have to rely on a second program > > (WinCVS) > > > to undo a save I didn't want done in the firstplace. I will stand alone > > or > > > stand with you and hold fast to the notion that under IDEA shouldn't be > > > making that decision for me, or remove me from the process of making the > > > decision of if I want to save a file. > > > > > > I dont understand the aggresive defensive posture of those defending > this > > > "feature". I've got auto-sync turned off for performance reasons and so > > > when I do a CVS Update, I'm immediately out of sync. The world doesn't > > end. > > > I do manual syncs when needed. If the biggest negative of having a > > per-file > > > save is an out of sync environment, then why allow me to turn off auto > > sync > > > if it's that important? > > > > > > Bottom line: if I have files A and B and I want to save changes to A > and > > > not B, I can't do it in IDEA. That's sad. Does the current mode of > > > operation hinder my work? No. I work around it. But it's a pain in > the > > > ass to have to do this. Why make me save changes to A and B and force > me > > to > > > undo B? > > > > > > I'll see you at the stoning ceremony Mark... > > > > > > > > > "markshotwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Well, I am not against the auto-save and the LVCS, especially as I know > > more > > > about it. I do think that it can be improved somewhat; the right click > to > > > rollback was not very intuitive to me. If anything, I think that the > > > feature can be expanded and improved even more, to make it more > valuable. > > > > > > MS Word has auto-save, as does Excel, just a different implementation of > > it; > > > roll back is primarily by closing the file without saving it. > > > > > > And, sometimes, I open a file, hack it up, copy out what I wanted, and > > then > > > close without saving the changes. Just an old(bad) habit I still use. > :) > > > > > > It just happens to be how things currently are and what I am used to; > but > > I > > > can also get use to some other things(and have) > > > > > > However, with that said, I really conceded the debate few posts back(not > > > that it really did much good); I actually went on a tangent a while > back. > > :) > > > > > > Though, I find a certain irony in all of this. > > > > > > Truth is, I am more concerned about some of the interface features. It > is > > > one of the reasons I use JCreator over WASD; more customizable and mouse > > > friendly. JCreator may not(yet) be as fancy as IDEA, but for the price, > > it > > > gets the job done nicely; the current lack of any real JSP support is my > > > only main issue with it. But, at the same time, some of the features in > > > IDEA are very nice, especially the JSP support. > > > > > > Sometimes, for me(and this is something that is not going to change) > IDEA > > is > > > a royal pain to use, cause I can't do some things easily(for me). I > would > > > absolutely love to put a find next and find previous button on the > > toolbar; > > > I know some people don't. I constantly go for it, but it isn't there. > > > Having to stop and reach for F3 screws up my momentum and flow; and to > be > > > honest, annoys me to no end. Sometimes, I am literally working in bed, > > with > > > my laptop and optical mouse(I love those things), in dim light, and > > > constantly have to change hand positions just causes me more problems; > > such > > > as my all too common ctrl-c when I meant to ctrl-v(which in IDEA causes > me > > > another problem). > > > > > > I really am trying to like the product, but I will like it because it > > works > > > well for me; not because anyone else tells me that it does/should. > > > Basically, all of the fancy features in the world are not of much value > if > > > they are not convenient to me. > > > > > > And, I still say I am seriously disturbed. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Eap-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.jetbrains.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-bugs
