This reminds me an old saying: "There are two kinds of people, the ones that divide people into two groups and the ones that don't."
And, while we are on the subject: "There are three kinds of people, the ones that know how to count and the ones that don't" ;-) Tal > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alain Ravet > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Eap-features] type 1 people are wrong > > > So, apparently there are 2 kinds of active posters on this list : > > type 1 : the IDEA_is_an_editor_and_I_want_to_keep_my_editor_slim > type 2 : the > IDEA_is_a_tool_and_I_want_it_to_be_more_than_an_Editor__a_lot_more > > > type 1 people will -1 or -10 any high level or visual feature request, > because > 1- they are afraid IDEA developpers could postpone the next > hundred editor > tweekings they have in mind, and think they could not be productive > without them. > 2- they are afraid IDEA will become slow > 3- they are afraid IDEA will become big > > > You don't mix up requirements collections with time, cost, > architecture and > > technology. You just tell what you need. > > > I say type 1 people are wrong, and here is why: > > point 1 : Intellij development team size is not your business. > It's theirs. > point 2 : have some faith, in Intellij, your VM vendor and Intel (or..). > Don't tell me me you fear they would have to rewrite in in C. > Look at Together : it's big, it's fast, and it does > code auditing. > point 3 : Who cares if the next EAP is 20M big. If you download > the eap build > at 56K, poor you. > This is 2001, year of cable speed, cheap hard disk and > cheap memory. > > > I say type 2 people are right. > IDEA is a tool, and I use it to solve problems, using java technology. > Java technology is becoming more complex by the day. > Why does IDEA force me to edit all those xml configuration files > as ascii text? > Do you really think it's less important than tweeking the Search function? > > > BTW, I wonder why it was so urgent to integrate .. > CVS : I still use WinCVS, next to IDEA, because... well, you know... > JUnit : it just brought very very little extra confort, but > absolutely no > new functionalilty. > SourceSafe : see CVS, above. Even with VB, I know many programmers who > preferred > to use the standalone, non integrated version. They still do, with > IDEA, and > they don't plan to change. > > > OTOS: > - Dead Code finder : ONLY IDEA CAN DO THIS FOR ME. What are you > waiting for? > - simple UML class diagram : I hate having to launch together > just to have a > quick 1 mile high view of the structure. > - class templates > - metrics based auditing > - smell detector > ... > > We have to think ROI here, guys. > I'm sure you could tweek the editor till 2010, but it wouldn't > help us write > better software. The editor is no longer n�1 when you think ROI. > It's almost > good enough. > I love the keyboard, but I want higher level features. And some > visuals too > (the class hierarchy browser is not a gadget. This is the way to go) > > > OK, shoot me. Or ignore me. > > Alain Ravet > > PS: I'm not sure feature request voting would be such a good > idea. This list is > where things happens. Here, when you say +1, you must say why. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Nokia Game is on again. > Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new > all media adventure before November 3rd. > > _______________________________________________ > Eap-features mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features _______________________________________________ Eap-features mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features
