That's one way of looking at it. Another way is to imagine that IntelliJ has a fixed amount of resources that they can devote to Idea due to the physical constraint on the number of developers they have working for them. Implied in this is a specific number of man-hours that can be used to enhance Idea. Let us call that value A. Let us suppose that the set of all features that are desired (and for the "type 2" person, this obviously means any conceivable notion that can be fathomed) can be quantified in a specific number of man-hours of work. Let us call that value B.
A < B Hence, prioritization and affectations like "-1", "-10", etc. Regardless, this entire discussion is entirely a red herring. Everybody here feels the same way in principle but have different priorities. Some just want an editor and so would prefer that IntelliJ concentrate their resources in that department. Others want logging, auditing, and other such integration. We each get a vote and do so. The features most positively voted for seem to be what IntelliJ pursues and I commend them emphatically for their democratic ideals. Although of course it makes good business sense as well. Kirk >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:eap-features- >[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alain Ravet >Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:48 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Eap-features] type 1 people are wrong > >So, apparently there are 2 kinds of active posters on this list : > > type 1 : the IDEA_is_an_editor_and_I_want_to_keep_my_editor_slim > type 2 : the >IDEA_is_a_tool_and_I_want_it_to_be_more_than_an_Editor__a_lot_more > > >type 1 people will -1 or -10 any high level or visual feature request, >because > 1- they are afraid IDEA developpers could postpone the next hundred editor > tweekings they have in mind, and think they could not be productive > without them. > 2- they are afraid IDEA will become slow > 3- they are afraid IDEA will become big > > >You don't mix up requirements collections with time, cost, architecture and > >technology. You just tell what you need. > > >I say type 1 people are wrong, and here is why: > > point 1 : Intellij development team size is not your business. It's >theirs. > point 2 : have some faith, in Intellij, your VM vendor and Intel (or..). > Don't tell me me you fear they would have to rewrite in in C. > Look at Together : it's big, it's fast, and it does code >auditing. > point 3 : Who cares if the next EAP is 20M big. If you download the eap >build > at 56K, poor you. > This is 2001, year of cable speed, cheap hard disk and cheap >memory. > > >I say type 2 people are right. >IDEA is a tool, and I use it to solve problems, using java technology. >Java technology is becoming more complex by the day. >Why does IDEA force me to edit all those xml configuration files as ascii >text? >Do you really think it's less important than tweeking the Search function? > > >BTW, I wonder why it was so urgent to integrate .. > CVS : I still use WinCVS, next to IDEA, because... well, you know... > JUnit : it just brought very very little extra confort, but absolutely no > new functionalilty. > SourceSafe : see CVS, above. Even with VB, I know many programmers who >preferred > to use the standalone, non integrated version. They still do, with >IDEA, and > they don't plan to change. > > >OTOS: >- Dead Code finder : ONLY IDEA CAN DO THIS FOR ME. What are you waiting >for? >- simple UML class diagram : I hate having to launch together just to have >a > quick 1 mile high view of the structure. >- class templates >- metrics based auditing >- smell detector >... > >We have to think ROI here, guys. >I'm sure you could tweek the editor till 2010, but it wouldn't help us >write >better software. The editor is no longer n�1 when you think ROI. It's >almost >good enough. >I love the keyboard, but I want higher level features. And some visuals too >(the class hierarchy browser is not a gadget. This is the way to go) > > >OK, shoot me. Or ignore me. > >Alain Ravet > >PS: I'm not sure feature request voting would be such a good idea. This >list is >where things happens. Here, when you say +1, you must say why. > > >____________________________________________________________ >Nokia Game is on again. >Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new >all media adventure before November 3rd. > >_______________________________________________ >Eap-features mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features _______________________________________________ Eap-features mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features
