True. Let me correct myself and say that I am not intending to put blame on students, or to take blame off of me, but to point out that there is a problem to be addressed.
As I said, I'm trying to address it from my side, but even after doing that, the other side isnt with me to the full, mostly until after they have graduated. I've had students come and admit that they were wrong about curriculum being bogus, and appreciating that they are directly applying what I taught them at their job.
True we must link with the industry, true we must have relevance in the courses. For instance, Numerical Methods is so cool, it can be taught in an entirely different and productive manner.
The thing is that there are certain things I can not directly change, but I can change myself and then there are certain things I can change. If I change myself and whatever is in my control, others will follow suit and also, the circle of things in my control will grow.
The thing is that there are certain things I can not directly change, but I can change myself and then there are certain things I can change. If I change myself and whatever is in my control, others will follow suit and also, the circle of things in my control will grow.
But how do we change the sutdent side?
Regards
Arsalan Jawed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear All, salams!
Students unwilling to put their faith on the teachings
of NED, is indeed a fact. Students do not usually
realize that the stuff they are being taught is very
practical until they see some of its applications. On
the part of the students, its quite legitimate to feel
this way! No wonder they have no idea that the
CAO-2(Computer Architecture and Organization) sci-fi
parallel processing literature can actually be put to
some implementation (there are some companies in
Islamabad working on this).
NED used to have two kinds of teachers in my times.
First kind, purely theoretical teachers having nothing
to do with any sort of industry and would make you
memorize some awkward EMF(electromagnetic field)
equations. Other kind included pure-researchers who
never believed that teaching is an excercise which
req! uires disciplined effort and they teach in the same
haphazard manner they do research in some domestic
industry. By no means, i mean to offend our respected
teachers!
Students usually do not like both kinds, because none
of these them can keep a balance between theoretical
and practical learning curves. To keep students
interests kicking, hardcore theory should always be
backed up with some implementation examples etc - for
this purpose its teachers responsibility to have
persistent contacts with local industry, atleast.
NUST-EME and UET-Lahore have implemented the same
thing successfully.
By the way, the EMF equations can come in really handy
when one picks to do something in areas like
microwave!
best regards,
Arsalan Jawed
CS 1996-97
--- Saqib Ilyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> There is a reason you couldnt blame NED here. Myself
> being a teacher here, even if I try to make my> students realize the importance of a certain
> subject, or a certain study technique, most of them
> are stubburn and unwilling. I accept that many of my
> co-workers here are and have been irresponsible.
> However, a certain amount of responsibility lies
> with the student as well, to do justice to his or
> her studies.
> Flames to /dev/null.
> Regards
>
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Assalam alaikum
>
> I am really impressed by Dr. Aamir thoughts,I myself
> an
> NEDian and I have studied MS Engineering here in
> US.I have
> done BE in Computer Engineering from NED .You have
> mentioned
> all those issues what I think,but I am very sorry to
> say
> that no one will pay attention on these issues in
> Pakistan.
> The problems what I am facing here at present,I
> think 60% to
> 70% of it just becoz I ! havent done any thing
> significant at
> my undergrad level except memorizing the stuff and
> filling
> many copies in exams to get good marks,although I
> have
> completed all relevant courses in my BE which are
> required
> to go for my Engineering major.I was in top ten in
> my final
> year BE result but now I am hardly maintaining GPA
> 3.0 at
> grad level.I have started research in wireless
> communications but after one semester my professor
> told me
> that I am not meeting his standards and therefore he
> cant
> allow me to continue research with him.It hurt me
> personally
> and financially as well.I was unable to get any
> RA/TA.I am
> an orphan and not from any financially sound
> family.Someone
> sponsored me from Pakistan for first semester in US
> becoz of
> my good grades and thats y I am here.I have worked
> hard but
> becoz of financial depression of paying the fees and
> lack of
> good background I have just completed my MS here
> with
> payable loan which I am still unable to pay fully so
> now
> university is not awarding me the masters degree. I
> had a
> plan to go for PhD but I think in this situation no
> school
> will accept me for PhD. These r the facts which no
> one
> realizes.Every one beats his own drum.I have seen
> Dr.Aamirs
> email on ECN so I thought to share my thoughts with
> all of
> you.
> Thanks
> Manzoor
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