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Asalam alaikum,
It is not the matter of students willing to work or
not, they are the same all over universe. But, it is the university's image in
the outside world which makes students prosper or fail. If due to the bad image
of university good students do not get admission in good universities or
the chances to prosper then whose fault is this? Few things which
build university image are: the faculty and their research, web page,
google search, administration, research projects, and research
funding.
Based on this criteria and the present approach of
the NED admin, I think it is better to call NED a technical training institute
instead of engineering university.
Thanks,
Aamir
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:46
AM
Subject: Re: ECN: NED University
Deteriorating Standards
True. Let me correct myself and say that I am not intending to put blame
on students, or to take blame off of me, but to point out that there is a
problem to be addressed.
As I said, I'm trying to address it from my side, but even after doing
that, the other side isnt with me to the full, mostly until after they have
graduated. I've had students come and admit that they were wrong about
curriculum being bogus, and appreciating that they are directly applying what
I taught them at their job.
True we must link with the industry, true we must have relevance in the
courses. For instance, Numerical Methods is so cool, it can be taught in an
entirely different and productive manner.
The thing is that there are
certain things I can not directly change, but I can change myself and then
there are certain things I can change. If I change myself and whatever is in
my control, others will follow suit and also, the circle of things in my
control will grow.
But how do we change the sutdent side?
Regards
Arsalan Jawed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Dear
All, salams!
Students unwilling to put their faith on the
teachings
of NED, is indeed a fact. Students do not usually
realize
that the stuff they are being taught is very
practical until they see
some of its applications. On
the part of the students, its quite
legitimate to feel
this way! No wonder they have no idea that
the
CAO-2(Computer Architecture and Organization) sci-fi
parallel
processing literature can actually be put to
some implementation (there
are some companies in
Islamabad working on this).
NED used to have
two kinds of teachers in my times.
First kind, purely theoretical
teachers having nothing
to do with any sort of industry and would make
you
memorize some awkward EMF(electromagnetic field)
equations. Other
kind included pure-researchers who
never believed that teaching is an
excercise which
req! uires disciplined effort and they teach in the
same
haphazard manner they do research in some domestic
industry. By
no means, i mean to offend our respected
teachers!
Students
usually do not like both kinds, because none
of these them can keep a
balance between theoretical
and practical learning curves. To keep
students
interests kicking, hardcore theory should always be
backed up
with some implementation examples etc - for
this purpose its teachers
responsibility to have
persistent contacts with local industry,
atleast.
NUST-EME and UET-Lahore have implemented the same
thing
successfully.
By the way, the EMF equations can come in really
handy
when one picks to do something in areas
like
microwave!
best regards,
Arsalan Jawed
CS
1996-97
--- Saqib Ilyas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> There is a reason you couldnt
blame NED here. Myself
> being a teacher here, even if I try to make
my> students realize the importance of a certain
> subject, or a
certain study technique, most of them
> are stubburn and unwilling. I
accept that many of my
> co-workers here are and have been
irresponsible.
> However, a certain amount of responsibility
lies
> with the student as well, to do justice to his or
> her
studies.
> Flames to /dev/null.
> Regards
>
>
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Assalam
alaikum
>
> I am really impressed by Dr. Aamir thoughts,I
myself
> an
> NEDian and I have studied MS Engineering here
in
> US.I have
> done BE in Computer Engineering from NED .You
have
> mentioned
> all those issues what I think,but I am very
sorry to
> say
> that no one will pay attention on these issues
in
> Pakistan.
> The problems what I am facing here at
present,I
> think 60% to
> 70% of it just becoz I ! havent done
any thing
> significant at
> my undergrad level except
memorizing the stuff and
> filling
> many copies in exams to get
good marks,although I
> have
> completed all relevant courses in
my BE which are
> required
> to go for my Engineering major.I
was in top ten in
> my final
> year BE result but now I am
hardly maintaining GPA
> 3.0 at
> grad level.I have started
research in wireless
> communications but after one semester my
professor
> told me
> that I am not meeting his standards and
therefore he
> cant
> allow me to continue research with him.It
hurt me
> personally
> and financially as well.I was unable to
get any
> RA/TA.I am
> an orphan and not from any financially
sound
> family.Someone
> sponsored me from Pakistan for first
semester in US
> becoz of
> my good grades and thats y I am
here.I have worked
> hard but
> becoz of financial depression of
paying the fees and
> lack of
> good background I have just
completed my MS here
> with
> payable loan which I am still
unable to pay fully so
> now
> university is not awarding me the
masters degree. I
> had a
> plan to go for PhD but I think in
this situation no
> school
> will accept me for PhD. These r the
facts which no
> one
> realizes.Every one beats his own drum.I
have seen
> Dr.Aamirs
> email on ECN so I thought to share my
thoughts with
> all of
> you.
> Thanks
>
Manzoor
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