Dear all, salam! The policy of hiring fresh-graduates might seem not to work, currently. But, if the same young teachers operate under the supervision of an experienced and dynamic faculty they can do wonders, this might sound a little optimistic here. I have been at NUST-EME-Rawalpindi as a TA and I observed that a team of 5-6 PhDs from Georgia Tech did amazing things working under one of the worst admins that a technical university can have. To attract senior teachers and to motivate junior teachers, the university must come up with a decent package including several fringe benefits. This could be one difficult thing to get through the red-tape admin at NED. So, a starting point could be that somehow some senior teachers are invited on a parttime basis. Once we have a pool of senior teachers at NED, may be they can convince the admin to change things in their favor.
regards, Arsalan --- Saqib Ilyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Every year, I am amazed at the amount of knowledge a > few students in my class come with. They are already > prepared. Sometimes they know just as much as I do, > sometimes they know more, about the subject matter > being taught. As teachers we are not here to prove > anything. While a student might know more about a > certain thing than myself, I might know more about > something else. I'm not defending myself or that guy > who taught you in final year, it's just a side point > on the point that you mentioned. > One benefit that I have seen with young faculty is > that students are a little more comfortable with us > than with the more senior faculty. Plus, as you get > more senior, you usually start taking things for > granted and dont really come down to the level of > the students and explain certain things because they > are "so obvious." Again, there are exceptions. > Yes, most young teachers are misfits. There for the > wrong reason. Most of them are teaching at a dozen > other institutes throughout the day as adjunct > faculty members, doing justice not to a single one > of them. Please forgive the rant if someone is > offended. But even with two undergraduate courses, I > myself do not feel that I am doing justice, so I can > not imagine anyone teaching 6 different subjects at > 16 different places, with all due respect. > Unfortunately, there is big money in teaching these > days. You dont find a job with a starting salary of > Rs. 5000 in the industry, but you can easily find a > teaching job with a starting salary of Rs. 15000 and > then some more as mentioned above. Commercialism. > Not professionalism. > I believe that teaching engineers is not an easy job > and must be done with the approach of how things are > practiced. For that, as I might have mentioned > before, teacher's internships are going to help, and > are beginning to help, too. That is, until we have > quality PhDs who are devoted to teaching. That's a > debate in itself. > Once again, my apologies if I offended anyone. This > email is meant as a few points to mention, only. > Regards > > "Zia-Uddin Shaikh (AC/EDD)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > Sallam > Just to add regarding fresh graduate hiring. I > remember in my batch some of the student knew more > about subject then a fresh graduate teacher who > completed his studies just 1.5 year ahead of us and > was teaching us in final year BE. I don't know , how > can university allow such person to teach. Obviously > I don't want to mention his name. > > Brs > Zia > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:34 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: ECN: NED University Deteriorating > Standards > > > As'salam u Alaikum(wrwb) > Well, I will not appreciate the complete blame on > the students for not being active or sincere to > their studies nor on the teachers for their > irresponsible behaviour. Ofcourse problem lies at > both the ends and most importantly the > infrastructure of our Education System. > Anyhow......still something is really missing in NED > teaching staff section. My experience as a student > of NED answers me that missing item is "Professional > Approach". Professional approach can really change > the attitude of student towards the Engineering > subject. Teachers must be very well hand on trained > to link theoretical concept with practical approach. > Atleast, the feeling must be developed in the mind > of student regarding the subject lecture deliv! ered > in classroom. This can be done with the help of > practical labs linking the theory, working on > simulation software, subject related projects, > complete debugging of project, practical results > presentation on applets, details of industrial > design features! > and some > practical sort out literature from datasheets. > > Apart from this, new trend of hiring fresh graduates > as a lecturer is increasing a lot in NED. From one > aspect it seems to be a good strategy because this > young blood will be more enthusiastic as well as > completely aware of the hard core problems faced by > the students. But -on the another end I personally > feel this is not at all professional attitude or the > fair deal with the students as well as with the > subject. Each and every Engineering subject demands > in depth experience and practical touchy style. > > It might be much beneficial if the hardware and > software project responsiblity is given to this > young blood rather than class of 60+ students with > any professional Engineering subject. > > Best regards, > > Faisal (EL 98-99) > > Arsalan Jawed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, salams! > > Students unwilling to put their faith on the > teachings > of NED, is indeed a fact. Students do not usually > realize that the stuff they are being taught is very > practical until they see some of its applications. > On > the part of the students, its quite legitimate to > feel > this way! No wonder they have no idea that the > CAO-2(Computer Architecture and Organization) sci-fi > parallel processing literature can actually be put > to > some implementation (there are some companies in > Islamabad working on this). > > NED used to have two kinds of teachers in my times. > First kind, purely theoretical teachers having > nothing > to do with any sort of industry and would make you > memorize some awkward EMF(electromagnetic field) > equations. Other kind included pure-researchers who > never believed that teaching is an excercise which > req! uires disciplined effort and they teach in the > same > haphazard manner they do research in some domestic > industry. By no means, i mean to offend our > respected > teachers! > > Students usually do not like both kinds, because > none > of these them can keep a balance between theoretical > and practical learning curves. To keep students > interests kicking, hardcore theory should always be > backed up with some implementation examples etc - > for > this purpose its teachers responsibility to have > persistent contacts with local industry, atleast. > NUST-EME and UET-Lahore have implemented the same > thing successfully. > > By the way, the EMF equations can come in really > handy > when one picks to do something in areas like > microwave! > > best regards, > Arsalan Jawed > CS 1996-97 > > > --- Saqib Ilyas wrote: > > > There is a reason you couldnt blame NED here. > Myself > > beiing a teacher here, even if I try to make my> > students realize the importance of a certain > > subject, or a certain study technique, most of > them > > are stubburn and unwilling. I accept that many of > my > > co-workers here are and have been irresponsible. > > However, a certain amount of responsibility lies > > with the student as well, to do justice to his or > > her studies. > > Flames to /dev/null. > > Regards > > > > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > Assalam alaikum > > > > I am really impressed by Dr. Aamir thoughts,I > myself > > an > > NEDian and I have studied MS Engineering here in > > US.I have > > done BE in Computer Engineering from NED .You have > > mentioned > > all those issues what I think,but I am very sorry > to > > say > > that no one will pay attention on these issues in > > Pakistan. > > The problems what I am facing here at present,I > > think 60% to > > 70% of it just becoz I ! havent done any thing > === message truncated ===> _______________________________________________ > ECN: Electronically Connected NEDians > http://nedian.org.pk/mailman/ecn > [email protected] > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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